Edit: Saw your build thread, Beautiful car!
Thanks!
Sorry, but your not interpreting this response correctly or rather is should say that the fact that it can be interpreted many ways only puts him in more legal problems if a class action was to show up.
Actually I believe you may be the one that is not understanding. It's interesting that you included Vargas' post and this second time exclude who he was replying to ... which was the context and basis for my response. You effectively dismantled my point by removing enough information, so let's try again:
You're not going to make sense of my comment unless you
consider my comments in context to Tony replying to someone's post.
1) He didnt have any disclamers about it
We agree. That was my point - he was simply responding to the original comment:
2) He went on and talked about how some wheels never had issues and others would loose a fin (admitting to what the defect is, and this references all of his GC sales)
Agree. And in context to those customers that had bought GCs and hadn't installed yet. He's responding to the question.
3) He went on and said other turbo vendors with an issue instead of fixing it would ignore you and blame it on something else voiding warrantys
4) He then said once we realized there was a real issue, it was no questions asked we would make it right at no cost to the customer.
Yes, you can read that as an unequivocal (unbound) statement but I submit that's not realistic. That doesn't mean he'll fix it 20 years from now, for example. Recall my comments about what's reasonable and I start throwing out time frames ... you are the judge? Nor am I? He has a warranty period, and he's implying original customers. That's a given. Everything else is subjective (not moral truth).
There is no other way to interpret that.
I just did. See above.
A warrandy is not a defect.
Do we have a language barrier? We agree: a warranty is not a defect. Warranties are for COVERING defects. That's what I explained: "A warranty
is to cover defects. Nothing else. Defects in materials. Defects in assembly. Defects in design. If not then what is a warranty covering?"
Did you not read that from the Vargas own mouth? here is it again, so it doesnt matter how long it is, how many miles it is or who owns it (unless the original owner had the chance to remedy it).
I did read it. Twice. Never saw this. Feel free to clearly post where he said that (and cherry picking his response out of context, which is what you did in the last response, which I now remedied by including the whole response in this post).
If he offered a free fix to GC owners and the original owner no longer has it then that set fix moves onto the person who currently holds the defect. The original owner never got a chance to fix them becaue vargas never reached out to inform anyone outside of this post.
Which I saw him say, explicitely, nowhere in what you posted.
As for the morality of it, even Vargas agrees with me! If what others have said are true and these have been known to be defective for so long then why didnt he take is own advice and stop production and stop selling them because its a criminal act?
Ironically, in effect, you seem to not find a single point I've made having any validity. You have convinced yourself that you have the sole view on how all of this works. I understand why you have a lawyer on retainer - people like that need it. Sorry to see you're having so many problems. I tried to point out a different way to see it, but clearly it is not helpful to you. If you wish to argue with me its your choice. You are backed into a corner and I'm trying to point out a different way of looking at it. Now you are talking about class action law suits ... instead I would go the de-escalation rout.
I think it would have been great if VTT chose to fix a second owner's two-year-old turbos for free, extending the warranty if you will. But they didn't choose to do so.
The other reason I responded - and obviously it's not because I know either you or Tony, as I know neither of you - is that this platform seems to be full of vendor problems, but those problems as I'm discovering have just as much to do with the owners as the vendors. So much confusion is created that its hard to figure out who has what product and who stands behind what and so forth. I've held off buying a turbo solution because I have been unable to make sense of it all. But I posted a response because I believe cast VTT in the wrong light, and after this exchange it is clear to me that you have no intention of understanding the circumstance - you're just pissed, and owed something, so the information gets twisted to make VTT look bad. Did they have issues with the blades? Well we know that - they publicly stated some of the blades had issues. Did they say they would cover all owners (not just original customers) for the life of an operating car? No. And you can continue to infer that they did, but they didn't. Again, I'd take the $1k repair and enjoy those turbos - I hear from people with the upgrades that they put down some nice power. Enjoy the car!
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