Most everything you mention has already been covered in many other threads, pictures and all, including from 3rd party purchasers (ie. I bought from so and so USA vendor but my turbos looked identical to these chinese turbos). Even in this very thread, did you even read it? (HINT: Page 10) The vendors in question themselves even admit it, but say "yes, they look the same but we build them ourselves and with our own sourced internals"- just one of the many bits that you have mixed up.
Regarding the tail end of your #1 point and our sales emails, indeed, many email and some for months on end before pulling the trigger. We have seen some who wait over a year before pulling the trigger. We suppose they are the types who query many vendors and/or do a ton of research before finally make a decision, the window shopping types as it may go. Regardless of the amount of time "tire kicking", we still respond and help them along as we can. If they go elsewhere, it is ok, that is business you do not win them all. That you think that is a reason for a companies shortcoming is a bit telling about your intentions even posting here.
At any rate you may dig deeper if you like on this, that, or any other topic and then ring us up for a friendly discussion; then feel free to clear it up online thereafter as you wish. Keep in mind we do not owe you anything however are still willing to take aside the amount of time it may take to appease you as single consumer, of whom clearly has zero interest in doing any further business with us.
Otherwise if we continue on this pace we will be happy to add you to the 3rd position of our Spoolstreet ignored troll list, and we are ok if that is reciprocated from you or any other who may wish to exercise the function.
Rob
Again, you go back on your original point when proven wrong (from "100% definitely the same Turbo" to "they even say they just build them themselves" now, which is still false - the only thing Chris said came from "overseas" is the manifold, so thanks for yet again confirming what we've all been saying about these not being the same *turbos*), you claim there's tons of info out there but don't provide a single link of evidence, and the closest you come to doing so contradicts your earlier posts of "these are 100% certainly a competitor's Stage 2+ turbos" and even contradicts what you were hinting at with your post about "who knows if they even change the internals/ if they source their own / if they do, then if they even balance them themselves". I'll go ahead and insert the quote you're referencing for you though, with the irrelevant information removed and some personally-added italics to help highlight for you what Chris already had bolded, since
you seem to be confused on some points:
100% those are not our turbos. Good luck with them.
To address the claims that those are our turbos; that's a big negative. No. Every single VTT Stage 2 and Stage 2+ is assembled in-house by us, including all balancing processes. This means we have each individual component made for us. The cast manifolds are sourced overseas (this is not a secret), they are machined to our specs and have been for over a year. The compressor housing, again, is our own part number, our own logo cast into them. Bearing housings are machined to our specs, turbine wheels, our own part number, compressor wheels have our own part number (2+ uses a proprietary VTT compressor). Every internal part is sourced from a turbo manufacturer located in the UK.
Anyone is welcome to come down to the shop, check out our balancing/build process. We can walk you through it and show you what's done/how, and show you what we use. Meet the whole VTT team, talk some friendly trash, have some caffeine and gummy bears, see the shop, see how a turbo is built and how it's balanced. Beat that!
We'll be out at Shift Sector this weekend -if you're there (competing or not) please come over and introduce yourself. I'll be the guy that looks like me. Way prettier than Tony.
Finally, I apologize for my slow response to this thread. I look the forums over a time or two per day but honestly try not to spend a ton of time on them. Please -if you have any issues/questions/concerns about VTT products just email me directly.
Best,
Chris
As you can see Rob, not only does Chris confirm those aren't his turbos, he also explains the differences. He then goes on to physically invite *anyone* to the shop to watch how the turbos are made (I'll take a page from your book here since you don't like my long posts - photos of VTT's shop are widely available which is likely why he said you can come down in person if you're still skeptical, instead of name calling and providing a phone number like he really has any interest in talking to that person) and not only treats his own customers with respect, but competitor's customers too.
If you want to use the argument of people ordering both VTT turbos and Chinese turbos and them looking similar as definitive proof they're the same, then again we could mention the Chinese versions of your turbos. And if you want to use the word China as a reason the turbos aren't reliable, should we mention the recent pictures floating around FB of some of your turbos going bad?
Regarding me mentioning your turbo sales vs inquiries - I only brought them up because you used them as a way to try to demean and dismiss me. It was never my intention to bring up your steady decline in popularity until after that, because I don't really care how many you sell, though I still wish the best for you because I know financial struggles are no fun when running ones own business.
I almost certainly would order from your website again actually, because like I said you've produced some decent enough products over the years from my experience and thankfully your products don't come with your online attitude. But if you'd prefer to name call me one last time, put me on ignore and blacklist me from ordering from your site ever again in order to feel better about yourself because I pointed out you were wrong once and acting rude, go right ahead I suppose. I'll let you get back to selling those secretly-somehow-superior (but still worse performing, and similar if not worse reliability) turbos a handful of times a year for now.
It's unfortunate it took this much bullshit to get to this point but I think you and I have both proven all of my points by now. If you ever decide to give up on the N54, you'd do excellent in politics I suspect.
