Review: Turner Motorsport 60A Engine Mounts

[Asbjorn]

I think I had mentioned something about the likelihood of these mounts melting after a while due to my shops experience with so many poly mounts melting on street cars and was dismissed because of the heat blanket. One of the few cases where I'm not happy I was right because these seemed like an excellent bang for your buck upgrade.

Are you certain it was the track day that made them melt? Is the car a track car only, or did you only inspect them after that track day? I know coolant and oil temps can see some crazy high temps on a track day if you're really giving it the juice for a long time, but I wonder what's worse in the case of the RS mounts - prolonged and repetitive high heat from street driving slowly causing the failure or if the engine bay really got that much hotter from one track day and exceeded the maximum radiant temp threshold. I thought during the initial marketing campaign that RS said they torture tested them on the race track so I'm still more inclined to think it's the street driving etc similar to the other poly engine mount failures.

They probably meant the green mounts were track tested then, not the black. They don't recommend the black for track use, which I learned after the fact.

Also Im not sure how revshift could even properly test these on track in not weather. Most n54 cars can't go for long on track, and there are no kits to upgrade the radiator(s) that actually work.

But this has very little to do with crazy water/oil temps, and everything to do with two cats + high egts for extended periods. My setup is weak here because twins + hot climate + race cats + upgraded power + probably the worlds most effective n54 water cooling system, meaning I don't need cool down laps on track.

 

[fmorelli]

Also Im not sure how revshift could even properly test these on track in not weather. Most n54 cars can't go for long on track, and there are no kits to upgrade the radiator(s) that actually work.

Oh that's easy - they just threw the mounts in the trunk of an E46 M3 for a track weekend. Worked great!

Filippo

 

[Torgus]

Oh that's easy - they just threw the mounts in the trunk of an E46 M3 for a track weekend. Worked great!

Filippo

Are they taking pointers from 034 now?

 

[AzNdevil]

@AzNdevil @Asbjorn

pure stage 2 dd twins...
mechanic putting in 80A mounts today with a heatshield

honestly if it melts again i am going back to stock and fill it up with black goo

 

[fmorelli]

There isn't a lot of room there, but two pieces of shield material with the smallest air gap would help.

Filippo

 

[AzNdevil]

There isn't a lot of room there, but two pieces of shield material with the smallest air gap would help.

Filippo

the turner mount itself already has sort of an air gap between the black housing and the mount...
i am adding another dimpled heatshield between the mount and the turbo side

 

[Illsic_Design]

You guys might like these, freshly released from VTT.......... https://vargasturbo.com/product/vtt-n54-n55-s55-n20-b58-billet-motor-mount-inserts/

If I ever have issues with my Turner's I will probably go to stock and add these

 

[derekgates]

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If I ever have issues with my Turner's I will probably go to stock and add these

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I've been curious if a mix of OEM inserted on drivers side and 335is passenger side would make sense....

 

[Illsic_Design]

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I've been curious if a mix of OEM inserted on drivers side and 335is passenger side would make sense....

Are you asking about OEM mounts on drivers side and IS mount on passenger side? Yeah plenty of people do that, the WHOLE issue with IS mounts now is that they cost a fortune, which is why people are looking for the best alternative.

 

[derekgates]

Are you asking about OEM mounts on drivers side and IS mount on passenger side? Yeah plenty of people do that, the WHOLE issue with IS mounts now is that they cost a fortune, which is why people are looking for the best alternative.

Yes, I scored one for $300... but wanting to firm up drivers side without too much NVH like aftermarket poly mounts.

 

[Illsic_Design]

Yeah I'd just throw in an OEM on the drivers and also the reinforcement piece from VTT

 

[AzNdevil]

You guys might like these, freshly released from VTT.......... https://vargasturbo.com/product/vtt-n54-n55-s55-n20-b58-billet-motor-mount-inserts/

If I ever have issues with my Turner's I will probably go to stock and add these

same...not gonna bother with poly mounts again if my new turner mounts fail
some window sealer + stick the metal insert in = never replace bushings again

 

[veer90]

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If I ever have issues with my Turner's I will probably go to stock and add these

I'd rather light my money on fire than give it to Tony

 

[Asbjorn]

So took out the green passenger side revshift engine mount today. The mount had developed some slop (1mm or so), and the green poly had compressed a little.

not as bad as the black stuff

But enough that I could feel the nvh had reduced. So if your revshift mounts feel like they have settled in, assume they have not. Assume they have melted. This happened while running additional heatshielding below the revshift sock.

A fan Im not.

 

[AzNdevil]

turner 80a motor mounts after ~5000km with a heat shield

so i went with a vtt insert instead... theres nothing that can go wrong with this

 

[Illsic_Design]

oh man, I really want to pull out my pass side turner 60A mount and see how it looks, it has a few track days and 60k+ on them.

Let us know how that VTT insert works, one guy on e90post said it added NVH like crazy but I don't know how much compared to an aftermarket mount

 

[JBacon335]

oh man, I really want to pull out my pass side turner 60A mount and see how it looks, it has a few track days and 60k+ on them.

Let us know how that VTT insert works, one guy on e90post said it added NVH like crazy but I don't know how much compared to an aftermarket mount

the NVH isn't too bad with a 900rpm idle, still sometimes annoys me though

 

[Cruizinmax]

turner 80a motor mounts after ~5000km with a heat shield

so i went with a vtt insert instead... theres nothing that can go wrong with this

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Oil will definitely cause the poly to break down. I made that mistake with some poly suspension bushings. I used petroleum based grease instead of silicone based. I think they lasted about a year and they crumbled like meatloaf.

 

[AndyW]

So took out the green passenger side revshift engine mount today. The mount had developed some slop (1mm or so), and the green poly had compressed a little.

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not as bad as the black stuff

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But enough that I could feel the nvh had reduced. So if your revshift mounts feel like they have settled in, assume they have not. Assume they have melted. This happened while running additional heatshielding below the revshift sock.

A fan Im not.

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So did you go with the VTT inserts? If so, how did that go? I almost pulled the trigger on the Turner mounts but that seems like a bad idea for my track 135i...although it is an N55 (single turbo) vice N54.

 

[Asbjorn]

So did you go with the VTT inserts? If so, how did that go? I almost pulled the trigger on the Turner mounts but that seems like a bad idea for my track 135i...although it is an N55 (single turbo) vice N54.

Yes and still happy with the vtt inserts. I wrote a review under the product announcement here on s**********