You Wish Performance Singleturbo kit

[The Convert]

Because all these kits are built to order. Anything that's fab takes time. For some reason people in the BMW community don't get this. If you don't any wait times go with a large company that can mass produce the kits. The only two companies that I know that can do that with the singles is Motiv and Doc Race. If you go with a small company there's going to be wait times period.

Everything is fabricated dude...everything. The point is, Dyezak is right about undercapitization. These small companies need to invest more of their profit, or own money to get started and then keep enough of the profit in the company to pay for things like materials and fab time to keep items on the shelves. Batch work is fine, but build before you accept the orders. Only sell what you have on the shelf to ship.

 

[Abacus38]

Have you ever owned a business? Getting said manpower and capital is easier said then done hence why if you do not want long wait times you don't go with a small company period.

 

[chrisdfv]

Have you ever owned a business? Getting said manpower and capital is easier said then done hence why if you do not want long wait times you don't go with a small company period.

I understand anything fab'd takes time, but even before placing my order i was promised 3-4 week lead time. Then after that when I inquired, i kept getting "1-2 more weeks" repeatedly. It's not right to sell more work/products on false expectations, and continue to lie about your back log. Like you said I doubt it's about scamming people or stealing, but more like a work overload situation.

 

[Abacus38]

I understand your frustrations. It sucks that you've spent your hard earned cash and the company hasn't delivered on their promise but it's one of those things you have to deal with when you buy from smaller company. Larger companies have the infrastructure in place to pump out these kits left and right. However, that larger infrastructure cost money and the cost is past down into the turbo kits hence why kits like Motiv aren't cheap.

 

[Shane303]

I understand anything fab'd takes time, but even before placing my order i was promised 3-4 week lead time. Then after that when I inquired, i kept getting "1-2 more weeks" repeatedly. It's not right to sell more work/products on false expectations, and continue to lie about your back log. Like you said I doubt it's about scamming people or stealing, but more like a work overload situation.

How many weeks total since day of payment?

 

[chrisdfv]

How many weeks total since day of payment?

9 weeks for me. Which in all honestly isn't terrible, but with the amount of people I've talked to now, that still haven't received their kit, and were in the original "first batch,(some paid in June)" I'm not willing to continue waiting when I could just order from another company that has their manufacturing capabilities figured out.

 

[The Convert]

Have you ever owned a business? Getting said manpower and capital is easier said then done hence why if you do not want long wait times you don't go with a small company period.

Actually, I'm in the process of starting one. I had toyed around with the idea many times in the past but never had the funds to do it right. One of my big stipulations is having that infrastructure in place, i.e. Jigs and materials on hand to have 5-10 copies of every product easily sitting on the shelves waiting to be shipped out. customer satisfaction and response time are way more important than the majority of the n54 vendors seem to understand.

 

[dyezak]

So how do you stop that from happening, protecting the members if you will.

If a site wanted to protect their membership then group buys that are supported on a site should be vetted by that site's leadership. There should be reasonable assurance that if a vendor is selling a particular number of a product they have that product in hand or can prove their just in time manufacturing pipeline is capable of delivering the number of products they say they are going to deliver at the time frame they are claiming.

If SpoolStreet did a vetting of group buys like this then the membership would have more confidence in getting involved with group buys originating from this site instead of sites that didn't have a vetting process.

Your largest vendors will be able to show in stock inventory (I'm thinking VTT). Most other vendors will be some other form of assurance on delivery, generally speaking a project plan that could be submitted and reviewed before being allowed to promote/host/etc a group buy here.

There needs to be some sort of enforcement as well without being punitive. Something along the lines of an SLA surrounding agreeable slippage numbers. And if slippage beyond the agreed terms occur then future group buys will be either not allowed by that vendor or an enhanced vetting process adhered to (contacting the vendor's suppliers to ensure the supplier can provide what the vendor needs).

This is assuming that you were asking about taking on the role of protector the way I interpreted.

 

[AntoanS4]

Because all these kits are built to order. Anything that's fab takes time. For some reason people in the BMW community don't get this. If you don't any wait times go with a large company that can mass produce the kits. The only two companies that I know that can do that with the singles is Motiv and Doc Race. If you go with a small company there's going to be wait times period.

We do get it but there is guys here waiting 5-6 months, no turbo kit takes that long to make

 

[Tony@VargasTurboTech]

I can speak up here. We went from having insane lead times, (we all know about the Stage 3 debacle of 3-4 years ago) etc. When you are trying to get stuff going, you have to take orders and build, test on other peoples cars, etc, etc. Now that we have established ourselves, we lease or buy all our own test cars, we have the shortest by far lead times of anyone in the N54 industry with most turbos shipping within 1-5 business days from order, etc. With that said, going with a company called "youwish" and seeing just how many people are "N54 Vendors" these days. Most are in way over their heads, building shit in their garage, etc. If you get the product, whats going to happen if said product fails? Can they even afford to replace them? Buyer beware

 

[doublespaces]

We will be introducing a proper vendor system in the coming months, I think that may solve a portion of the problems. I don't think You Wish is even a vendor here, so there isn't anything I can do about that anyway.

 

[JustWright n54]

Looks like a no-name turbo...

I was just looking through this guys Insta and he has Garret turbos..

 

[langsbr]

When it comes to turbo kits, especially singles with fabricated mounts - I'm sure the vendor gets quantity pricing on the parts they don't fab - the turbo, wastegate, etc. Those I can understand not having 10 or 20 in stock - that's a LOT of inventory to sit on. However, in the case of the manifolds, there appears to be too many vendors doing a group buy for "vaporware" they may have a jig, but no manifolds already in stock, no flanges, no tubing, nothing. The fabricated parts should be on hand and ideally already welded and awaiting orders. Is it costly? Yes - it is a risk to build 10 or 20 manifolds not knowing if they will sell? Sure, but business is risky. It appears to me that most of these "shops" are just fabricators that want a lot of work to stay busy. What's really funny is - all these vendors would need to do is set them up as a Kickstarter - then they could take 3 years, not make shit, and no one would care!

I look to MMP's group buy as one of success. I doubt Mauricio expected the number he got in the first batch - I'd guess it was probably double his expectation. He had the first 10 sets done immediately or very fast if I recall. He set the timelines for the rest based on what he had in stock manifold wise, and the lead times for receiving parts, and different taks, i.e. coatings. When he had a delay from a supplier, he immediately told everyone. I can understand the nature of wanting an update every day, especially if you've paid a good amount of money for something, but I never felt dismissed while waiting. When he said he had everything and would be shipping stuff out, I figured he would be assembling all the kits, confirming the parts then shipping them all - assembly line. Some people were asking "why didn't you ship mine today if you had the stuff, I was first on the list." Doing 15 different tasks to ship one package is a recipe for disaster when it comes to bulk orders. It's much more accurate to do a single task to every order, then the next task, etc. It might take an extra day before order 1 is shipped, but the next day 30 orders are ready and they all are correct.

 

[R.G.]

What's the group buy cost? Their website shows almost the identical cost of a DR kit.

That rear wastegate looks awfully close to the dump tube and exhaust housing. They might be revising that if no one has a mani in hand yet and there are "delays"


Double, you know that saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? I would advise against getting involved in any type of "vendor vetting". I think the simple rating system with a "verified purchase" is more then sufficient. We as customers hold the responsibility beyond that. They're marketing in other platforms by the look of their site. There is a few avenues buyers can look into their records as a vendor for example.



Edit: I see the price now $2899 correct? Devil may be in the details "THIS WILL INCLUDE one of the 750 horse power billet wheel ball bearing turbos for the entry level kit"


So the turbo is a "youwish" turbo if I'm comprehending that correctly in the context of the rest of their twittergram. So J.Y. was correct.
Remids me of this

 

[R.G.]

whats going to happen if said product fails?

10 more platform members will then put in orders if the JTwerxzz kit (or whatever the fack) disaster told us anything.

 

[The Convert]

10 more platform members will then put in orders if the JTwerxzz kit (or whatever the fack) disaster told us anything.

It's like IKEA furniture..."poor" people make bad long term financial decisions.

Save for the better built expensive item and you won't have to buy any of it again later. Ends up cheaper in the long run.

 

[doublespaces]

Double, you know that saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? I would advise against getting involved in any type of "vendor vetting". I think the simple rating system with a "verified purchase" is more then sufficient. We as customers hold the responsibility beyond that. They're marketing in other platforms by the look of their site. There is a few avenues buyers can look into their records as a vendor for example.

We won't be doing anything that requires 'interpretation'. I am not a patent lawyer, turbo expert, fmic expert, CFD analyst, thermal dynamics researcher, or private investigator. So any rules put into play will be as black and white as possible and carry a commonly understood meaning. This goes for the requirements to be a vendor, if any, as well as how other disputes and behavior are dealt with. At least, things will be handled as close to this as humanly possible.

 

[N541000WHP]

It's like IKEA furniture..."poor" people make bad long term financial decisions.

Save for the better built expensive item and you won't have to buy any of it again later. Ends up cheaper in the long run.

Youwish performance is a scam so to speak . He used to live in Colorado and moved to Florida , he leased out a warehouse in Davie on State road 84 ( rewind back to like March , he contacted me because I purchase a single turbo manifold from him off of Facebook ( his business at the time was on Facebook ) he contacted me because he wanted to use my car to fabricate a kit from scratch , big mistake !! He offered me a free kit and installation in return for using my car for about a month . Fast forward a month and half and nothing got done because my car was auto his exact words , he could not push his kit to the limit . His kit is based on copy manifold designs from JP works and Doc race pretty much . I have youwish performances first manifold when his business was through FB . Horrible design single gated manifold . Now the group is closed on FB . He does not have stock , what he does is he takes orders ( people’s money ) and then buys all the parts to make the manifold and down pipes , fabricated everything and then sends it out to the customers . That’s why the lead time is messed up . Oh BTW it’s a one man show meaning it’s just him only . I am gathering all my paper work and proof cuz I am taking him to court . I gave him a running car , after a month and half I got back a non runing car . I would be carefull people with youwish performance LLC

 

[N541000WHP]

Just saw this on my Instagram feed!
Anyone know anything about the company or if the owner is a member here? Looks like twin scroll and BB turbo with everything (including things like a turbo blanket and Mac solenoid) for $2,899. If it's quality this may be a game changer for the single turbos.

Youwish performance is a scam so to speak . He used to live in Colorado and moved to Florida , he leased out a warehouse in Davie on State road 84 ( rewind back to like March , he contacted me because I purchase a single turbo manifold from him off of Facebook ( his business at the time was on Facebook ) he contacted me because he wanted to use my car to fabricate a kit from scratch , big mistake !! He offered me a free kit and installation in return for using my car for about a month . Fast forward a month and half and nothing got done because my car was auto his exact words , he could not push his kit to the limit . His kit is based on copy manifold designs from JP works and Doc race pretty much . I have youwish performances first manifold when his business was through FB . Horrible design single gated manifold . Now the group is closed on FB . He does not have stock , what he does is he takes orders ( people’s money ) and then buys all the parts to make the manifold and down pipes , fabricated everything and then sends it out to the customers . That’s why the lead time is messed up . Oh BTW it’s a one man show meaning it’s just him only . I am gathering all my paper work and proof cuz I am taking him to court . I gave him a running car , after a month and half I got back a non runing car . I would be carefull people with youwish performance LLC

 

[chadillac2000]

Boy oh boy. So many ST startups, so few satisfied customers.