Upgraded T04 turbos for less $ than stock! Wtf? Link inside

[Threetirtyfive]

Or you can ignore this person who is salty because he was an arse to the vendor who then didn't want to give a refund and had one bad experience, to the rest of us who have run them out of the box no issue. Viv racing are no more a brand than any other 17t china turbo originating from the same factory so don't assume you'll get any more or less reliability.
The 19T are less proven so far but the 17T are properly proven now and come factory balanced. (mine for 2 years now no issues no smoke or rattle.)

 

[wtf2]

Thanks for the input! And I did read the thread a few times and other threads but the last few pages were on the 19T which i agree.. dont think they are there yet. Just wanted to clearly understand what’s other experiences are. I’ll post mine after also and how it goes. I do plan to go single turbo down the line at one point but I’ve had the car for 2-3 months and already did a lot of maintance work and u can say restoring the car. Since the oem turbos are similar cost and I do want to see more power through out the band.
Might do also some tracking with these turbos and see how they hold up.

 

[PupkinRacing]

Thanks for the input! And I did read the thread a few times and other threads but the last few pages were on the 19T which i agree.. dont think they are there yet. Just wanted to clearly understand what’s other experiences are. I’ll post mine after also and how it goes. I do plan to go single turbo down the line at one point but I’ve had the car for 2-3 months and already did a lot of maintance work and u can say restoring the car. Since the oem turbos are similar cost and I do want to see more power through out the band.
Might do also some tracking with these turbos and see how they hold up.

6-7k miles of 20psi+ currently at 26psi. VIV 17t’s right out of the box. Did absolutely nothing to them and they have been nothing but awesome. I’ve had them installed for like 2ish months and daily drive them so miles will just keep climbing.

 

[wtf2]

6-7k miles of 20psi+ currently at 26psi. VIV 17t’s right out of the box. Did absolutely nothing to them and they have been nothing but awesome. I’ve had them installed for like 2ish months and daily drive them so miles will just keep climbing.

THanks for the feed back! good to know and feeling better about the purchese. cant wait to get them on

 

[fmorelli]

The 19T are less proven so far but the 17T are properly proven now and come factory balanced. (mine for 2 years now no issues no smoke or rattle.)

17T's from people I know, have gaining/substantial history. But help me out, when you say "less proven", can you tell me who has how many miles on the 19T's? I've seen nothing of any significance on them, short of the negative reports of uninstalled units.

Filippo

 

[b4llistic]

EDIT: Thanks your finding and reading my post. Unfortunately, Spoolstreet is no longer a neutral platform where we can have honest discussions on subjects and products freely.
For this reason I have deleted all information I posted on the forums.

 

[Threetirtyfive]

17T's from people I know, have gaining/substantial history. But help me out, when you say "less proven", can you tell me who has how many miles on the 19T's? I've seen nothing of any significance on them, short of the negative reports of uninstalled units.

Filippo

A mate from another car group is running the 19t and being Wedge tuned, I can ask if he's happy to share his logs. They've been out such a short time, only a couple of pairs have been installed, I've got some which are not yet fitted.
I seriously doubt anyone has more than 1k miles on them yet.
He had to get the oil feed nut re-welded as it looks like they soldered/spot welded it on from factory but otherwise no real issues.

 

[ajpagosa]

Or you can ignore this person who is salty because he was an arse to the vendor who then didn't want to give a refund and had one bad experience, to the rest of us who have run them out of the box no issue. Viv racing are no more a brand than any other 17t china turbo originating from the same factory so don't assume you'll get any more or less reliability.
The 19T are less proven so far but the 17T are properly proven now and come factory balanced. (mine for 2 years now no issues no smoke or rattle.)

Since when are the 17t factory balanced? See post #441. Maybe they are just very badly. Besides I thought pretty much everyone agrees balance sheets included with these are fake.

 

[fmorelli]

A mate from another car group is running the 19t and being Wedge tuned, I can ask if he's happy to share his logs. They've been out such a short time, only a couple of pairs have been installed, I've got some which are not yet fitted.
I seriously doubt anyone has more than 1k miles on them yet.
He had to get the oil feed nut re-welded as it looks like they soldered/spot welded it on from factory but otherwise no real issues.

Makes sense. To me a log speaks to performance. Proven speaks to durability information. There's absolutely no durability information on the 19T at this point. They are unproven by my definition of the word.

Filippo

 

[Threetirtyfive]

Since when are the 17t factory balanced? See post #441. Maybe they are just very badly. Besides I thought pretty much everyone agrees balance sheets included with these are fake.

His post proved they were within the balance sheets provided. Which show balanced to 0.5g

 

[ajpagosa]

His post proved they were within the balance sheets provided. Which show balanced to 0.5g

LOL so 0.5 g is the new 0.2g? What abut the fake balance sheets?

Maybe you missed this part of his post:

" And actually they were pretty bad according to the balancer. "

Check RB's pre-ban post #10, for what before/after proper balancing ought to look like. The #441 sheet looks a lot more like "before".

 

[Jern54]

That balancing sheet was after the adjustments. So I think you don’t even want to know what the figures were before the balancing.
Anyway, I don’t even got them.

 

[PupkinRacing]

I also wonder how you can feel better about someone reporting 8k good (unknown how it's driven) miles on something that should last at least 100k miles of hard use.
I'm pretty sure I can build you a turbo that lasts for 10k miles in my shed with no experience at all

How can you honestly say 100k miles when the factory turbos didn’t/don’t even last that long. Some did but a fuck ton of them didnt. Also plenty of more expensive aftermarket turbo options have failed in the first 3-5k miles or less. So it’s a good indication that they are of equal quality as a more expensive product whether you want to accept that or not. Also my 7k miles have been nothing but abuse to these turbos.

 

[rev210]

How can you honestly say 100k miles when the factory turbos didn’t/don’t even last that long. Some did but a fuck ton of them didnt. Also plenty of more expensive aftermarket turbo options have failed in the first 3-5k miles or less. So it’s a good indication that they are of equal quality as a more expensive product whether you want to accept that or not. Also my 7k miles have been nothing but abuse to these turbos.

Look, lets be honest, the chinesium turbos are not of equal quality or quality control .... yet. They are absolutely not of equal quality to stock or the leading aftermarket upgrades.
Though they offer a big power upgrade over stock ,they also dont yet perform quite as well as brand name upgrades either (we havent yet seen them up there in the record lists).

But, you are paying alot less . So, if you are informed about the risks, get them checked out and properly balanced (not 0.5g) and prepared to do the labour , then they can be an option.

Lets steer clear of the equal comparisons so that they can be put in a fair comparison and discussion. Afterall, the thread is about getting something for less than stock turbo pricing.

 

[PupkinRacing]

Look, lets be honest, the chinesium turbos are not of equal quality or quality control .... yet. They are absolutely not of equal quality to stock or the leading aftermarket upgrades.
Though they offer a big power upgrade over stock ,they also dont yet perform quite as well as brand name upgrades either (we havent yet seen them up there in the record lists).

But, you are paying alot less . So, if you are informed about the risks, get them checked out and properly balanced (not 0.5g) and prepared to do the labour , then they can be an option.

Lets steer clear of the equal comparisons so that they can be put in a fair comparison and discussion. Afterall, the thread is about getting something for less than stock turbo pricing.

You must not have been here in 2015 were you? Or earlier for that fact, all the big turbo companies that’s are still around today had years of mass turbo failures. The fact that these Chinese turbo’s can come out and don’t have as many failures as the “leading” brand turbo definitely speaks to something. I would hope after 2 years of what seemed like daily failures under 10k miles that these turbo companies would learn something.

 

[b4llistic]

EDIT: Thanks your finding and reading my post. Unfortunately, Spoolstreet is no longer a neutral platform where we can have honest discussions on subjects and products freely.
For this reason I have deleted all information I posted on the forums.

 

[ajpagosa]

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You must not have been here in 2015 were you? Or earlier for that fact, all the big turbo companies that’s are still around today had years of mass turbo failures. The fact that these Chinese turbo’s can come out and don’t have as many failures as the “leading” brand turbo definitely speaks to something. I would hope after 2 years of what seemed like daily failures under 10k miles that these turbo companies would learn something.

To be fair quite a lot has been learned since 2015 about what you have to do to run any turbos (even well made ones) at higher than stock boost without blowing them up. Then a lot of advances in QC, design, and manuf on aftermarket units were made as well. So there were many issues contributing to failures not involving the turbos themselves, and of course others involving the turbos. Steep learning curve for all involved including customers I might add (eg: install, tuning, and even basic maintenance issues). Not sure how the poor/non-existent QC and substandard materials/assembly/manuf/design documented in this thread are going to help people who buy the latest chinese units avoid problems but you never know. At least a lot of the non-turbo contributing issues have been resolved and that might be enough to get by for a while.

 

[Gates_N54]

The 19T are less proven so far but the 17T are properly proven now and come factory balanced. (mine for 2 years now no issues no smoke or rattle.)

Im running the 19T's from ViV Autoparts right now, Got the updated version with a proper oil housing (nut isn't welded on its now full cast and they provide a new screw.) Currently running 25PSI 93 w/meth and no port injection for almost 1k now. The Front Oil drain was a PITA to get in but everything else, VRSF Alum. outlets went in no problem no tweaking needed. I beat the piss out of this car every day driving 50 miles round trip to work and home. So far no leaks, no play in thrust bearings or shaft itself. No oil or coolant consumption either.

 

[rev210]

Be good to see if they can make the power improvements promised by the bigger 19t dimensions. Is your tune all sorted and ready for a 1/4 ,1/2 mile or draggy run to find out yet?

 

[Gates_N54]

Be good to see if they can make the power improvements promised by the bigger 19t dimensions. Is your tune all sorted and ready for a 1/4 ,1/2 mile or draggy run to find out yet?

Not yet I'm still sorting it out but it pulls like a freight train as it is right now. The jb4 seems to be cleaning up map 6 fairly well.

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