THE ONLY CPE ATMOSPHERE TURBO 335i - in the house
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I do have an entire other very busy life. Lol
I know guys I know, supposidly... before you all unwrap your Christmas presents she’s back here in Florida. Dyno days are scheduled for the week of the 18th (like next week) sorry I haven’t been active been keep up with some key people and a lot been going on in my life. Then SEMA and they had taken part in quite a few builds, excuses are just excuses but it’s coming, no one gave up anything guys. It’s been real the car runs. It’s actually quite impressive. Lots of the local guys have seen it. Will update soon enough and y’all can cast your evil hate or just hide behind your years of naysaying or give props, lol cause this bitch is bad and hey. I’ll love it!
I know guys I know, supposidly... before you all unwrap your Christmas presents she’s back here in Florida. Dyno days are scheduled for the week of the 18th (like next week) sorry I haven’t been active been keep up with some key people and a lot been going on in my life. Then SEMA and they had taken part in quite a few builds, excuses are just excuses but it’s coming, no one gave up anything guys. It’s been real the car runs. It’s actually quite impressive. Lots of the local guys have seen it. Will update soon enough and y’all can cast your evil hate or just hide behind your years of naysaying or give props, lol cause this bitch is bad and hey. I’ll love it!
I don't think anyone is actually hating the build. I just think people are a little bothered or tired of waiting for one Car and its twin turbo kit, one twin turbo kit to be done.
I get that they had other stuff to do between the time they started and now. But 4+ years is what I'm hearing, and if you really don't think that's unacceptable. Then I don't know what to tell you. But, as I have told you personally, CPE takes forever to do anything. They have been like that since day one of their existence in the Mazda game (because that's how they started).
Long story short, 4+years for one kit to be done is point blank unacceptable, ESPECIALLY when the car is not owned by the company. PERIOD.
Regardless, I look forward to seeing the car done. But at this point, they've wasted way too much time and many people have moved on. However, the biggest selling point and chance they have of ever selling these kits is the fact that they are using real Garrett turbos so failures should be minimal compared to all the other TT options. So people will gravitate to that for the reliability standpoint. Let me know when you're ready to really dial that car in. You have my info @4doorbmwpower
I get that they had other stuff to do between the time they started and now. But 4+ years is what I'm hearing, and if you really don't think that's unacceptable. Then I don't know what to tell you. But, as I have told you personally, CPE takes forever to do anything. They have been like that since day one of their existence in the Mazda game (because that's how they started).
Long story short, 4+years for one kit to be done is point blank unacceptable, ESPECIALLY when the car is not owned by the company. PERIOD.
Regardless, I look forward to seeing the car done. But at this point, they've wasted way too much time and many people have moved on. However, the biggest selling point and chance they have of ever selling these kits is the fact that they are using real Garrett turbos so failures should be minimal compared to all the other TT options. So people will gravitate to that for the reliability standpoint. Let me know when you're ready to really dial that car in. You have my info @4doorbmwpower
There has been a working Garret Twin Turbo kit using "real" Garrett turbos for over 3 years. We stock them and have sold close to 10 of them. Its the same kit that just made 870WHP at 23 psi. You talk a lot about different things on this platform, so far we have seen you release an aluminum plate for meth injection, that anyone going to community college for engineering could design in CAD. Now you are going to build everyone this HPFP upgrade. I have $1000 that says you never produce a working HPFP, that is worth a shit on this platform. If you think you will take me up on it. You were not even around when Connel gave his car to CP-e so stop acting like you are some platform vet, and talking down to people who are. Have a nice day
LMFAO, I didn't know one product release dictates what i'm capable of. That's comical. What's even more comical, is that anything said about Turbos you get defensive like someone is taking a shot at you. People asked for it, I made it. Simple as that. Onto to other things.
I don't need to be a "platform vet" to know that 4+ years (as stated by other people) is unacceptable for a time frame to build one damn kit around readily available turbos is unacceptable when the test car is NOT owned by the company. I don't recall talking down on anyone. FYI, me and the owner has spoken in private about his build.
So how about this, keep your $1000 and put that towards some R&D to keep your turbos from failing due to "foreign object injestion". Now, there's the shot directed towards you that you were obviously fishing for. Sheesh, god forbid someone has an opinion when this clown Tony is around. lol
Anyway, as to not cloud his thread, you can feel free to PM me or Email me with your bullshit. leave it out of his thread.
Easy gents,
Tony thanks for the backup as you know there’s a lot in these builds.
So in answer, a mock up not in a car complete prototype was released on a motor stand 4 years ago. That has nothing to do with my car or the current product INSTALLED in a working vehicle. So as the keyboard warriors skew your perspective hopefully this corrects it.
My car has not been worked on for 4+ years and yes that is unacceptable. A lot of people do one build and have 12 people working on it with an unlimited budget and they put in 14 hour days for 6 months and poof a bad ass build. Now behind the scenes most of these builds aren’t 100% custom start to finish and require milling of blank turbo housings and fittings completely one off cast and multiple trips between foundry and R&D floor. If I had enough money to shut down day to day operations at cpe working on 12 different platforms with an entire company consisting of 12 people I would. But I can’t, they also run Long tube headers, Cpc, and a hell of a lot of custom engine builds constantly and have multiple time sensitive racing car sponsorships.
I won’t try to say this isn’t the longest build ever.. lol it is and I have been disgruntled also but as this community evolved so did the build. Nothing on my car is old technology. We gained something it went into the build. My frame of my vehicle changed, the suspension, the engine position, the bushings the custom parts, the transmission, drive train components from crank to prop shaft to the axles, everything is done, trans cooling, oil cooling, engine management, went from jb4 era to Cobb, to MHD, Meth delivery systems changed, and I (on a active duty military budget have been fighting to accommodate). I deployed I have been away I have had things on hold waiting for other company’s parts, ignition changed I changed with it the build changes a lot. Yeah it took a long time and it will never be “done” in my eyes as long as there is something to mod. But this car I promise is a beast, not just a dyno queen but a beast all around fun to drive OEM running monster.
So I’ll enjoy it, hopefully my Christmas present to me. Tony knows how long the casting process is, tooling, recasting, tooling fitnent, recast, oh this downpipe position is bad, recast, tooling... all the while this is costing tens of thousands of dollars and you have no money coming in. Something else has to keep the lights on. This kit isn’t just cast manifolds, it’s cast EVERYTHING, plus it’s got well over 130 different in house made components and CNC work. It’s details, and cpe releases a good final product.
You should know that considering their records in Mazda, now ford (on 3 different platforms), and a few other silent ones out there, soon to be Bmw
Easy on the drama and thanks again @Tony@VargasTurboTech for the kind words, you been there from the begining. you obviously trust their stuff I saw the cpe orders come in for some of your builds.
Tony thanks for the backup as you know there’s a lot in these builds.
So in answer, a mock up not in a car complete prototype was released on a motor stand 4 years ago. That has nothing to do with my car or the current product INSTALLED in a working vehicle. So as the keyboard warriors skew your perspective hopefully this corrects it.
My car has not been worked on for 4+ years and yes that is unacceptable. A lot of people do one build and have 12 people working on it with an unlimited budget and they put in 14 hour days for 6 months and poof a bad ass build. Now behind the scenes most of these builds aren’t 100% custom start to finish and require milling of blank turbo housings and fittings completely one off cast and multiple trips between foundry and R&D floor. If I had enough money to shut down day to day operations at cpe working on 12 different platforms with an entire company consisting of 12 people I would. But I can’t, they also run Long tube headers, Cpc, and a hell of a lot of custom engine builds constantly and have multiple time sensitive racing car sponsorships.
I won’t try to say this isn’t the longest build ever.. lol it is and I have been disgruntled also but as this community evolved so did the build. Nothing on my car is old technology. We gained something it went into the build. My frame of my vehicle changed, the suspension, the engine position, the bushings the custom parts, the transmission, drive train components from crank to prop shaft to the axles, everything is done, trans cooling, oil cooling, engine management, went from jb4 era to Cobb, to MHD, Meth delivery systems changed, and I (on a active duty military budget have been fighting to accommodate). I deployed I have been away I have had things on hold waiting for other company’s parts, ignition changed I changed with it the build changes a lot. Yeah it took a long time and it will never be “done” in my eyes as long as there is something to mod. But this car I promise is a beast, not just a dyno queen but a beast all around fun to drive OEM running monster.
So I’ll enjoy it, hopefully my Christmas present to me. Tony knows how long the casting process is, tooling, recasting, tooling fitnent, recast, oh this downpipe position is bad, recast, tooling... all the while this is costing tens of thousands of dollars and you have no money coming in. Something else has to keep the lights on. This kit isn’t just cast manifolds, it’s cast EVERYTHING, plus it’s got well over 130 different in house made components and CNC work. It’s details, and cpe releases a good final product.
You should know that considering their records in Mazda, now ford (on 3 different platforms), and a few other silent ones out there, soon to be Bmw
Easy on the drama and thanks again @Tony@VargasTurboTech for the kind words, you been there from the begining. you obviously trust their stuff I saw the cpe orders come in for some of your builds.
You should do yourself the favor and block him like a lot of other people have.
Yes it actually does depict what you are capable of. The good ole FOD joke, not only is he making claims he can't back up he is unoriginal on top of it.
Since we are going to talk about it. Let's talk about it.
Let me know when any turbo manufacture on this platform that is close to moving the units we are right now. Do not forget to account for large retailers such as ECS, Turner, Mod-Bargains, N54tuning, Extreme Powerhouse, the list could go one for a while, shall we include the companies we white label for? Once you have all those numbers then bring me the number of issues reported. At that point, we can get to the facts, which are, no one is close to us in not only records for power, traps, etc. But also reliability percentage, the number of units sold, markets sold in, retailers sold in, dealer network. All the things that count when running a real business, not someone building turbos, or HPFP's in their garage.
People whine because I call things as I see them, including calling out dipshits. Funny thing is even with an army of haters, we still can't keep products on the shelf, and continue to expand to other platforms, while doubling or tripling revenue year over year, as we did again this year.
So yeah $1000 is up for grabs for a working HPFP's that's worth a shit. You 110% do not have the capabilities to produce what you claim you are going to. This is another fact, don't get it twisted. See we can all make unoriginal lame jokes. Have a nice day.
Its all good brother. This guy is another one that came out nowhere, with no reputation to follow him, making big claims, doing basically nothing. Now he is trying to call you out on something he has no experience in, or knows anything about. Actual production.Easy gents,
Tony thanks for the backup as you know there’s a lot in these builds.
So in answer, a mock up not in a car complete prototype was released on a motor stand 4 years ago. That has nothing to do with my car or the current product INSTALLED in a working vehicle. So as the keyboard warriors skew your perspective hopefully this corrects it.
My car has not been worked on for 4+ years and yes that is unacceptable. A lot of people do one build and have 12 people working on it with an unlimited budget and they put in 14 hour days for 6 months and poof a bad ass build. Now behind the scenes most of these builds aren’t 100% custom start to finish and require milling of blank turbo housings and fittings completely one off cast and multiple trips between foundry and R&D floor. If I had enough money to shut down day to day operations at cpe working on 12 different platforms with an entire company consisting of 12 people I would. But I can’t, they also run Long tube headers, Cpc, and a hell of a lot of custom engine builds constantly and have multiple time sensitive racing car sponsorships.
I won’t try to say this isn’t the longest build ever.. lol it is and I have been disgruntled also but as this community evolved so did the build. Nothing on my car is old technology. We gained something it went into the build. My frame of my vehicle changed, the suspension, the engine position, the bushings the custom parts, the transmission, drive train components from crank to prop shaft to the axles, everything is done, trans cooling, oil cooling, engine management, went from jb4 era to Cobb, to MHD, Meth delivery systems changed, and I (on a active duty military budget have been fighting to accommodate). I deployed I have been away I have had things on hold waiting for other company’s parts, ignition changed I changed with it the build changes a lot. Yeah it took a long time and it will never be “done” in my eyes as long as there is something to mod. But this car I promise is a beast, not just a dyno queen but a beast all around fun to drive OEM running monster.
So I’ll enjoy it, hopefully my Christmas present to me. Tony knows how long the casting process is, tooling, recasting, tooling fitnent, recast, oh this downpipe position is bad, recast, tooling... all the while this is costing tens of thousands of dollars and you have no money coming in. Something else has to keep the lights on. This kit isn’t just cast manifolds, it’s cast EVERYTHING, plus it’s got well over 130 different in house made components and CNC work. It’s details, and cpe releases a good final product.
You should know that considering their records in Mazda, now ford (on 3 different platforms), and a few other silent ones out there, soon to be Bmw
Easy on the drama and thanks again @Tony@VargasTurboTech for the kind words, you been there from the begining. you obviously trust their stuff I saw the cpe orders come in for some of your builds.
As for CP-E we work closely with them on quite a few things now. Great people, great company, great products.
Given how well the bigger turbos (lighter wheels, new aero profiles, mixed flow turbine, etc.) from Garrett and BW can perform these days with a proper twin scroll manifold, I just don't see why go through the trouble of fitting an aftermarket twin setup. Running the 2x the supporting hardware just doesn't make much sense to me.
nice ride man. I wonder why they didn't flip the rear turbo around and have the EWG's dump directly into the downpipes.
I'd have the coldside outlets run up to the valve cover into an AWIC
I'd have the coldside outlets run up to the valve cover into an AWIC
Easy answer, it would never work. No ability to turn up for an inlet that hard back there and the turn down would be too violent an angle and prohibit flow completely. Keep in mind these guys aren’t mechanics they are engineersnice ride man. I wonder why they didn't flip the rear turbo around and have the EWG's dump directly into the downpipes.
I'd have the coldside outlets run up to the valve cover into an AWIC
ull 3"
I hate to disagree with you. But thats the way we do it, we fit two full size garretts in there, a full 3" inlet going behind the motor, and full 3" free flowing downpipes no sharp bends. Its the only set up I have seen yet making 850+WHP, and not falling off at all up top. I believe you set up should do that as well, but the GT30's are going to a little behind on response. It wasn't easy to fit, but to say it would never work...
I was responding to him only wanting to change that portion tony sorry, so if you wanted MY inlets it wouldn’t work. You go around back correct ?ull 3" I hate to disagree with you. But thats the way we do it, we fit two full size garretts in there, a full 3" inlet going behind the motor, and full 3" free flowing downpipes no sharp bends. Its the only set up I have seen yet making 850+WHP, and not falling off at all up top. I believe you set up should do that as well, but the GT30's are going to a little behind on response. It wasn't easy to fit, but to say it would never work...
Wait, lmao, wazzaap neighbor ! Im in Delray myself. Shoot me an email.
I truncated the post, just not to re-post so much. This is a substantially impressive undertaking, and my comments are not meant as criticisms. Rather I wanted to share some thoughts, which the above 3 statements made me think about.
I have built a lot of stuff in my life. I won't lay out what-all and different mediums, but they span a bunch of industry and craft, with scratch build and design to include lots of jig building, process, and repeatable construction. I just say that to set context to my observations.
"Time" is a mystery of projects. Anyone can start a project, some can muddle through the middle, few can finish. I don't doubt you will finish (as I said, no criticism intended), but with this project you pose a classic example. Projects like this are progressive revelation. One can't know what one knows until one knows, and the only way one knows is by doing. Book knowledge is the prerequisite for the class; it doesn't give one the specifics for the specific project. Plus the project evolves because it is really a platform play ("a thousand points of light"), and a community of minds is working the platform in parallel and the Internet is the playground (not like the 80's ... so much transparency with the Internet). One might actually consider the platform a biological-like organism, living and breathing, not a static hunk of solids. So "time" is evil there too - it brings more information, which challenges more decisions. One can get stuck in the meta-activity of making it better and be the victim of getting it done. I've been there and have wrestled that aspect of "time". I'd like to share what has been an inspirational story (on solving the right problem against time) http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/the-wrong-problem/
Another observation in your post tickled in my mind - I've designed some things that were very unique in feature/look/etc that turned out to be do-able in one-off and impractical when I went to tool for it and get repeatability. So the second thing this made me think of is that, especially as target complexity goes up, prototype and production-capable have more opportunity to diverge.
Complexity is a friend of "time", unfortunately. That has snuck up on us older guys, because it's not discrete components and a screwdriver anymore. It used to be that an emulsion tube in a side-draft carburetor was an easy component to quiz someone on and get quizzical answers (god forbid, don't let a mechanic screw with one) ... but now we have a myriad of complexity that makes the emulsion tube look like an abacus. If you are working the whole, no longer is your pre-requisite knowledge mechanical engineering. Add fluid dynamics, state machines, algorithms, some aerospace can help, and soon rest assured that a background in OR will be helpful as we hang on to lots more data and adaptive capabilities go through the roof.
I applaud your effort and your progress. I also respect the battle you are having with "time" - it has several chards and sharp edges. I know them well!
Good luck,
Filippo
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Wow! So much thought went into this post for a change!
I understand and agree and I’m glad you can tell what this has been like. The lead engineer working on my car says you hit the nail on the head. If he had unlimited time and energy then he would absolutely be able to knock this out. He also single handed Has been getting an install shop up and running as part of the continually growing company that is CPE. That guy has left nothing to the wayside, his weekly hours makes cpe wonder if he ever leaves lol. So thank you for the words and they are not taken as criticism at all!
-Connel
