900 for a unit that requires a hpfp??? Wow. If this platform was new I could see that being ok, but considering how old this platform is people will stick with PI and call it a day. $400 to $500 sounds more reasonable, if they cant get it there these will sell as fast as watching turtles race a 1/4 mile.
New HPFP Upgrade - SpoolPerformance Helix
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900 for a unit that requires a hpfp??? Wow. If this platform was new I could see that being ok, but considering how old this platform is people will stick with PI and call it a day. $400 to $500 sounds more reasonable, if they cant get it there these will sell as fast as watching turtles race a 1/4 mile.
I'd much rather pay that much for this product and not have a completely separate system to add to increase number of failure points and add difficulty to diagnostic/repair.
The fact that this platform at this age still gets all this attention and innovation is amazing in and of itself. I'll take what I can get price wise for continued progress. If there wasn't incentive for profit the company wouldn't be making the product. If it comes in cheaper, great. If it doesn't, still worth while.
Single barrel requires a HPFP too if you decide to get a new one and it's $800.
There's a market for the Helix just like there is a market for the single and double barrel and PI. Spool has already sold a decent amount of these and it's not even released. Hell, my shop has half a dozen on the way....all already sold.
This is especially great for those that have to pass emissions and are subjective to visual inspections.
There's a market for the Helix just like there is a market for the single and double barrel and PI. Spool has already sold a decent amount of these and it's not even released. Hell, my shop has half a dozen on the way....all already sold.
This is especially great for those that have to pass emissions and are subjective to visual inspections.
1400. Let's match the street Supras on port injection and everyone will be raving for DI.
Port injection has its flaws but it also has its benefits. For one your dealing with injectors not fuel pumps so if your hpfp kicks from over driving it your stranded. With port Injection with a jb4 you can run the car if your hpfp craps out on you and drive home with port injection without having to pay for a tow.
They both have their flaws, but your still overpowering the stock hpfp which will fail. It's the reason why they created a separate unit instead of one, they dont want to be held accountable for the pumps when they fail after 10k or 30k miles ect... VTT pumps are also overpriced which is why port injection is on 90% of the n54s upgraded. The biggest benefit with port injection is the time you save/money you save from doing less walnut blasting since the fuel will clean the valves and $600 for a new hpfp.
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Lot's of build paths, the price on these is more than fair. Personally I don't want the added complexity of running a JB4 or AIC to run PI. This is a 30 minute install and a reflash. My best bud is being the guinea pig for us and he has one coming. We both have E9X N55's and this along with the PS2 should make us more than happy.
I thought we were still able to drive with a bad hpfp just in limp mode... That's why BMW made the injectors so big in the first place
Ahh, so it does work on early N55s. Sweet
That was my impression as well
That is what is fun. Given the 1st N54s were sold in 2006 this makes the platform 13+ years old. There are still new products released almost monthly which is unheard of on almost any other platform I have been apart of. There is still a good deal of money to be made by the N54/N55 vendors.
As far as the price goes. It sounds fair. You have to pay to play. Obviously we would all like things to be less expensive. If anyone thinks they can build a HPFP solution for less money have at it and make bank.
It'll be interesting to know how far the "software uncorck" of the HPFP will take the stock/stage1 folks that want to run full E85 and if this is needed from S2+ or single onwards.
I really, really want to run full E85 with stage1 twins and make at least the same that I'm now making with E45.
I really, really want to run full E85 with stage1 twins and make at least the same that I'm now making with E45.
Yes you can, I had my 335 hpfp fail drove it home on lpfp pressure of 72psi in limp mode with no issue but you cant drive it over 1/4 throttle.
I just turned my hazards on and drove home nice and steady.
Because you get people that will attack you for announcing pricing for a product when its not ready to ship. You know how it is, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Especially from the one-way street people that think they can spew whatever bullshit they want, and that it is only the vendors that need to be magnanimous.
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This product is worth every penny if it is reliable and can deliver a good incremental amount of additional fuel. I don't think it will be an issue but it also can't be destroying pumps every 5k miles. I don't want to abuse the FCP Euro lifetime warranty to pay for multiple pumps either.
If it does what it claims and is reliable it will be a real game changer for this platform. It won't assist much in breaking HP or timeslip records but it will make upgrading turbos much easier and more cost effective. This is the only choice for XI owners like me who don't want to deal with PI so that only adds to the demand and willingness to pay.
I have high hopes but am very much looking forward to hearing more info from the beta testers. I wonder what this thing can do running 100 octane and meth.
If it does what it claims and is reliable it will be a real game changer for this platform. It won't assist much in breaking HP or timeslip records but it will make upgrading turbos much easier and more cost effective. This is the only choice for XI owners like me who don't want to deal with PI so that only adds to the demand and willingness to pay.
I have high hopes but am very much looking forward to hearing more info from the beta testers. I wonder what this thing can do running 100 octane and meth.
I'm pretty sure fcp euro is smarter than people think. They might replace the first few failed ones but they will eventually stop honoring the warranty when they realize these were abused 4x worse than a stock car could have normally abused them by opening them up and examining them.
If your planning to buy this setup and expect fcp to cover for your failures from running the pump 4x it's normal rate your 1) a scammer expecting other people to pay for your abuse 2) If they do end up replacing at least 2 pumps your now over 1k mark and at risk for a felony, that is if FCP decides to take this seriously. Theres always a possabilty they just wont care. I definitly wouldnt buy spools device thinking that you wont ever pay for another HPFP simply because you think FCP will be your savior, thinking that way will cost you more in the end.
As for longevity the OEM pumps on average last between 50k to 100k from what ive seen online, some worse some better. So running them 4x faster the normal speed would wear them down 4x faster, so this would yield between 12.5k miles to 25k miles a pump which doesnt seem like much, but lets also say the average pump lasts 150k then you would only get between 25k to 37.5k miles a pump. If you can get 30k out of a pump that is running 4x as fast as it was designed I'd say your doing great. Definitly dont expect 50 to 100k from this.
This is also exactly why spool created this device as a separate system to prevent anyone from blaming them when the users break their pumps. Your buying an overspining device, not the actual pumps which means that you cant ever claim spools product is bad because the pump failed. I can already see the early complaints come flying in by those users who will add this to their car with an oem pump already at 100k miles. Those cars might not even last 5k to 10k miles runing after the install. Then again if you drive like our grandparrents then your probably good either way.
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The design looks pretty cool. I'd prefer it to match the block though that way it at least blends in lol, but cosmetics are the least of anyone's concerns with this.
I'm not sure if this was asked before, but does it also need shorter fuel lines since the pump sticks out further?
