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2jzn54

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really? i must have missed it. thought i checked pretty thoroughly lol. i'll check when i get home. thanks!
 

aus335iguy

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There’s been no updates here for a while im hoping that’s because everyone is busy finding useful stuff...
 

veer90

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The Fuel (Start) table has been added :) So go enjoy no more cold start E85 issues!

I'm a little confused by the table, are the axes temperature and RPM?

If I'm having ~15 seconds of stumbling on a dead cold start at ~70*F (my old V8bait tune didn't do this with whatever table changes Justin made) on a BMS BEF I adjust the corresponding cells higher, right?
 

nahor

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I'm a little confused by the table, are the axes temperature and RPM?

If I'm having ~15 seconds of stumbling on a dead cold start at ~70*F (my old V8bait tune didn't do this with whatever table changes Justin made) on a BMS BEF I adjust the corresponding cells higher, right?
Yep, coolant temp in C is the Y axis, RPM is X axis. I think I used about a 15% increase over the stock values at that temp, works great for me.
 
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Jake@MHD

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I'm a little confused by the table, are the axes temperature and RPM?

If I'm having ~15 seconds of stumbling on a dead cold start at ~70*F (my old V8bait tune didn't do this with whatever table changes Justin made) on a BMS BEF I adjust the corresponding cells higher, right?

It is stumbling during cranking, or in the 15 seconds following it firing up? Different tables for each. Fuel (Start) is for cranking, Warm-up Enrichment for after. I know the "stock" warm-up enrichment is in the FlexFuel XDF (I added an additional for the E85 version). I forget if I back filled it to the regular XDF. If you are comfortable with XML you can copy it over.
 

veer90

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It is stumbling during cranking, or in the 15 seconds following it firing up? Different tables for each. Fuel (Start) is for cranking, Warm-up Enrichment for after. I know the "stock" warm-up enrichment is in the FlexFuel XDF (I added an additional for the E85 version). I forget if I back filled it to the regular XDF. If you are comfortable with XML you can copy it over.

Stumbling in the 15 seconds after. I'll take a look, thanks!
 

veer90

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I looked at both XDFs, the warm-up enrichment table is in the flex fuel one but you did forget to backfill the regular one.

Any chance you could update the regular XDF? I tried looking at the code but I have no idea what I'm doing with that. lol
 

veer90

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I tried it. Copied everything from <XDFTABLE uniqueid="0x15A9" flags="0x0"> to </XDFTABLE> for 2 sections:

Warm-up Enrichment Factor
Warm-up Enrichment Factor ECT

and pasted it at the very end of the IJE0S (standard units) XDF. Here's what I see in TunerPro, did I get it right?
 

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Jake@MHD

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I tried it. Copied everything from <XDFTABLE uniqueid="0x15A9" flags="0x0"> to </XDFTABLE> for 2 sections:

Warm-up Enrichment Factor
Warm-up Enrichment Factor ECT

and pasted it at the very end of the IJE0S (standard units) XDF. Here's what I see in TunerPro, did I get it right?


You did, nicely done :) The "ECT" one is just if you want to change the axis, but I would leave that alone. Table values I would go with around 1.45 at the -30*C, 1.33 at 0*C and taper to 1.00 at the far right 81.75*.
 

shushikiary

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Sweet baby Jesus I'm going to do this to my XDF as well, I know I had been asking for it for a long time. I checked the IJEOS xdf when flex fuel came out and didnt see the table but didnt check the flex fuel XDF... now I'll have to go do that.

I did look at the flex XDF just for curiosity, and I saw that some of the tables changed size or location. It seems this enrichment table didnt though ( between a flex fuel bin and a normal bin)?
 
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Jake@MHD

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Sweet baby Jesus I'm going to do this to my XDF as well, I know I had been asking for it for a long time. I checked the IJEOS xdf when flex fuel came out and didnt see the table but didnt check the flex fuel XDF... now I'll have to go do that.

I did look at the flex XDF just for curiosity, and I saw that some of the tables changed size or location. It seems this enrichment table didnt though ( between a flex fuel bin and a normal bin)?

Table size change in the FF XDF was just fuel (spool) IIRC. Load to torque 2 and 3 were removed, and fuel bank 2 / fuel scalar bank 2 were repurposed for use as the E85 tables. I think there were a few more tweaks I'm forgetting off the top of my head.

But anyway, you are good to grab the warm-up enrichment from the regular fuel folder. I'll get around to updating the regular XDF one of these days haha
 

bantam

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Jake,
I know that you have identified the cooling modes, have you seen into the cooling tables in more detail?

The reason that I am asking, is that it seems that the auto trans people with upgraded radiators are experiencing excessively long warm ups or never warm ups in cold weather. My guess is that the minimum flow rate for the pump/ thermostat is set too high, and possibly the ECU is planning on a certain BTU dissipation across the radiator for a given water temp and ambient, so it is generally running too much water flow.

Any thoughts on this?

EDIT: Update to this specific issue, I am pretty sure that my warmup times were due to having the sport cooling mode selected in MHD without realizing it :dizzy:
 
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Jeffman

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Jake,
I know that you have identified the cooling modes, have you seen into the cooling tables in more detail?

The reason that I am asking, is that it seems that the auto trans people with upgraded radiators are experiencing excessively long warm ups or never warm ups in cold weather. My guess is that the minimum flow rate for the pump/ thermostat is set too high, and possibly the ECU is planning on a certain BTU dissipation across the radiator for a given water temp and ambient, so it is generally running too much water flow.

Any thoughts on this?
@jyamona Bump. Interested in this as well.
Thanks
 

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The minimum pump flow can be altered, but if the thermostat were functioning correctly, it shouldn't matter one bit. Pump flow or exchange capacity make no difference, the thermostat is the final word in how much coolant moves out of the rad to the block, primarily based on physical coolant temp out of the head. Even if the pump were full speed, the thermostat should limit flow to the motor completely/partially when coolant is below temp.
 
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