Update March 2nd – VTT TURBOS!!!! / Welding Fabrication
VTTO N54 "GC 2.0" GAME CHANGERS
Requirements
In our requirements list for this build we mentioned each criterion we were looking for in the turbos we would purchase for our build.
Good Fitment
While big single turbos can make big power, they come with a few setbacks. One can be good fitment -this is one of the things that discouraged us from going big single turbo. Single turbo kits require many fabricated components leaving several places for potential mistakes, most of which are hard welded and very unforgiving. The GC turbos fit like OEM with no modified lines needed or special routing, the only exception being the compressor outlet of the turbo but Vargas sells the outlet connection so this is not a problem. In our mind keeping things factory location is important when it comes to future maintenance as most components are available off the shelf.
Aftermarket Manifold
While we want stock location as explained above this is intended to be a vehicle that performs well and utilizes the best product features on the market. Cast manifolds are one of the newest things offered and currently only two suppliers we know of are offering them. We could go into details on the differences between the two but what is important is what we were looking for and why these manifolds are the right choice for us.
The factory manifolds are very restrictive with a bottle neck around 1” in size where the manifold connects to the turbo. Most likely the factory did this to increase velocity making faster spool time for the turbos at factory horsepower. While this faster spool time is great at factory horsepower it becomes an issue at higher levels (we are over doubling the power on this car). By opening up the port we are now able to have less back pressure and a freer flowing exhaust system. With that said we still need and want the same velocity effect the factory had we just want it to match with our new target horsepower.
We talked with Tony at Vargas several times over the past couple months about the new GC 2.0 turbos trying to pull information from him to make the best selection. While we can’t share all the information because we don’t have permission we will say the team at Vargas took the time to do flow testing on the manifolds during design and make sure to increase efficiency without killing spool time due to oversizing the ports.
Horsepower Rating
While Vargas has made 850whp with this same setup it was done with a fully optimized built motor with custom head work for maximum efficiency. In a stock internals application, the turbos would be capable of around 775-800whp. With our 650ish whp for this car we will do math on 650whp and see how the 20% headroom requirement is met that we were looking for in the initial write up. So 650x1.2 (20% extra) puts us at 780 minimum capability requirement and you can see above there is no issue here. We would actually feel safe taking the turbos up to 700whp without any concern for the turbos longevity. Keep in mind we are tuning for around 650wtq as it will already be pushing the limits of the automatic transmission the actual horsepower numbers will be whatever they end up when we have very nice smooth torque curve maxing around 650wtq.
Turbine Design
Turbine design is the art of any turbo and VTT made a great turbine for quick spooling and efficient. The turbine is the hardest working component of any system. It’s job see’s the hottest temperatures, is under constant pressure, and is required to transfer this energy through a shaft to the compressor side of the turbo which is under pressure as well (boost). There were some issues because of this in the past as Vargas used the same standards others still use but the reliability just isn’t there with those standards.
Because of this VTT spared no expense and went with a new blade design and uses Inconel 713L for the turbine which retains strength over a high temperature range. Those two differences eliminate the industry-wide TD04HL 9 blade wheel failure problem while improving wheel Aero; even better spool and more flow. We aren’t here to teach about material grades you can find out that information on
Wikipedia. This alone was enough of a reason for us to choose Vargas turbos for our build and for version 2.0 we have to agree this is a game changer.
Turbo Inlet Connection
In our initial requirements list the turbo inlet size of 2” was listed which is not hard to find among turbo manufactures these days. Even stock frame turbos are often modified to have 2” inlets to work with the largest highest flowing inlets on the market. The VTT GC 2.0’s of course have this 2” inlet but also have a ribbed connection to combat the common problem of inlets slipping off. This ensures easy install and removes the issues of clamp placement. So there isn’t much to say about this other than it is a simple yet critical requirement that anyone who has installed inlets on stock frame turbos fully understands.
Summary of changes in the GC 2.0 vs original GC turbos
Key Features of the GC 2.0 reboot are as follows:
- 100% designed, and cast for VTT: this is not a partnership with any other company
- All new castings with VTT logos front and center
- D5S Ni resist material is used throughout the hot side. This includes Turbine housings as well as manifolds.
- All-New Compressor housings with ribbed inlets to ensure a secure fit from inlet to housing.
- Single piece V-band clamp connection from turbine housing to manifold sized to fit Tial Clamps. No more awkward two-piece clamps to install.
- The single biggest improvement is the casting of proprietary turbine wheels in Garrett GT28 profile with a TD04HL shaft to fit the existing GC family bearing housing. Wheels are cast from Inconel 713L. This eliminates the industry-wide TD04HL 9 blade wheel failure problem while improving wheel Aero; even better spool and more flow.
- Full sized GC’s, and GC Lites still available
- Rebooted pricing. With all these improvements the GC line up price still dropped
What didn’t we get that we wanted out of these turbos?
The only requirement we had and did not get out of the turbos was a V-band connection at the turbo outlet. This isn’t really “necessary” and there currently is not anyone offering this style connection on the outlets. So to be fair it wouldn’t be a negative to the market only a negative to our requirements which can be asking more than actually needed at times.
But where there is a will there is a way to get everything you want. We reached out to Tony before purchasing our set of turbos and while reluctant, he agreed to let us take apart his turbos and chop them up while still honoring warranty on them! Now I wouldn’t expect him to do that for everyone as most people don’t have fabrication equipment or experience in house to tackle these sorts of things. But Tony said “You know what, you guys do great work in everything else you do… go for it, I trust you will take the same care we do when modifying and assembling them”. Who knows maybe VTT will start offering a V-bad turbo outlet as an option or a standard? That would be up to them we were just grateful we could modify them without sacrifice of warranty and suggest if you intend to do what we did that you contact VTT and talk it over in-depth with them first!
Getting started on V-band Conversion
Well the turbos showed up at 7pm and we opened things up and got excited Tony threw a set of V-band fittings they had for outlets (o-ring in face) in the box in case they would be useful. A couple of us looked at each other and said why wait. Quickly we loaded up some tools and drove to our old location as we haven’t moved the fabrication equipment yet. We devised a game plan to weld up the ring groove and just machine the face to save time and give an OEM flange face for our outlets to sit against. Well that turned into a disaster… We forgot the welding torch/leads/pedal are in the big toolbox we already moved so we went and grabbed a TIG from someone’s house nearby and tried it out. Needless to say, the welds didn’t come out very good, we didn’t need much from them but when machined they looked horrible. See pics below for a good laugh of what thinking you are going to knock something out in an hour or so turns out like.
ewww... LOL don't have pic after machining will have to upload later...
We revisited the turbos again the next day with our equipment and flanges we machined from scratch and things went much better. As you can see the flanges look just like the factory flanges except the ID is larger to match the exact size VTT designed the ID to be.
Next we took a couple measurements to decide where we wanted to cut and weld the new flanges on. Cut the turbo housing using a band saw carefully (as seen here) and precisely measured the height needed one more time for the flanges and cut them to their final length.
Then it was time to fire up the TIG, line things up, and finish up the job so here are a few more pics of how things turned out once complete. Nothing major here if you are setup with the right tools for the job but we were happy with the end result.
Our experience with VTT was excellent, communication was spot on, and they allowed us to modify their product to be everything we dreamed of in a set of twins.
Really not sure what else there is to say at this point other than we couldn’t be any happier with how every aspect of our selection has turned out.
Great work VTT team!