Eh, Op has more experience than just customer support.
EMP TUNING, moving the discussion out of the shadows
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Eh, Op has more experience than just customer support.
As v8bait stated, these cars are EXTREMELY forgiving to garbage tuning... which fosters plenty of growth of "tuners". In most other communities, this kind of copypasta amateur tuning wouldn't fly. It would lead to blown engines left and right and the "tuner" would be ran out of the community.
It takes a LOT to mis-tune an n54 to the point of destruction. Quote me on that.
It takes a LOT to mis-tune an n54 to the point of destruction. Quote me on that.
Who are the top tuners for n54 platforms then? I’ve had negative experiences with motiv and so have a few of my friends. I’ve had positive experiences with emp but if there’s better options out there I’d def like to at least explore them. I have over 30k into my 335 build currently
Twisted tuning, Wedge performance, V8Bait
I can appreciate the numbers. I have three project cars with well over 100k invested. I just sold my stock turbo R&D car because I moved the v8 OTS N54 maps to beta and picked up a z4 35is to play with.
Below is a dyno from a 6870 I did the first round of tuning on early December. Gate was a 17 psi and BoostBOX wgdc was around 40 to 50%. This was pump E85 with stock vanos and stock knock sensors. With vanos tuning we can make more power earlier in the pull and hold power a bit more past 7000. The car ended up making 938.96 whp, but tune below is usable and not some dyno queen.
Let me know if you have questions, we can take it offline.
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I’m no tuner but curious and technically inclined... u guys just proved my theory on this table is correct
yay I got one right! Lol, Now just copy and paste into my “do not tune like this” bin
Yes the stock DME does have safeties in place, but it can only do so much. It's not perfect - the DME will let you cruise along with bank 1 and bank 2 AFRs mismatched and let you do WOT pulls at 15:1, but will intervene if you go full retard and try to blow up the motor
Fuel can be corrected +/- 34%. Timing can be pulled, and the throttle can be closed. That's usually enough to limit power and stop a badly tuned motor from going boom.
True. V8bait is a very knowledgeable tuner. Figured out the false knock issue on my closed deck motor after 3-4 revisions, when my previous tuner was running around scratching his head.
Well its about time this came to light. Thank you Justin for having the balls to post it. Ken has been telling me about this for months now. I have emails from EJ just a few months ago where he could not even install a set of inlets, literally he could not understand how to get clamps on, and needed help. While this has nothing to do with tuning, it shows his lack of understanding, and general experience for working on vehicles, warning signs to say the least...
Don't misunderstand please, I'm not saying he only has customer support, but that the only thing ANY of the tuners have is their experience and their reputation. Justin's reputation precedes him, as do many others.
I don't have anything bad to say about aj or emp as a whole.... I will state that over the summer i paid for a custom map for my car... 08 135i fbo stock turbo 93oct 21psi requested.
The first few revisions were nice the car ran fine and was still on low boost. Then we got to about rev7 supposedly targeting 19psi but the car would not make more than 16.5psi. Next few revs car still only makes 16.5psi targeting 19-21 and once i let off the throttle during a log car would throw overboost codes. Ajs answer was that my car was fucked up and something must be broken..... Mind you that on the ots mhd2+ the car made 19psi all day no codes no issues. So he suggests that i tear into the car to find a problem..... Ordered plugs, coils and boost solenoids to start. Well im a lazy fat fuck so i never used any of the parts that i purchased... I ended up speaking with a buddy of mine that tunes lots of other platforms and i asked him to look over my logs and such so i emailed him the files i received. He calls me about 5 min later... "What the fuck was that guy doing? Do you mind if i send you a map to try?" So he send over a map of his own. First map no codes and making 17psi... After a few more revisions the car makes 21psi no codes no problems. Not sure what issues aj was having and i dont really care. Car is fine now so no harm no foul im out 200$ for a tune that never happened but hey thats fine. Still getting fucked by "wolfbuilt" for much more money lol.
Well thats just my input on the matter.
The first few revisions were nice the car ran fine and was still on low boost. Then we got to about rev7 supposedly targeting 19psi but the car would not make more than 16.5psi. Next few revs car still only makes 16.5psi targeting 19-21 and once i let off the throttle during a log car would throw overboost codes. Ajs answer was that my car was fucked up and something must be broken..... Mind you that on the ots mhd2+ the car made 19psi all day no codes no issues. So he suggests that i tear into the car to find a problem..... Ordered plugs, coils and boost solenoids to start. Well im a lazy fat fuck so i never used any of the parts that i purchased... I ended up speaking with a buddy of mine that tunes lots of other platforms and i asked him to look over my logs and such so i emailed him the files i received. He calls me about 5 min later... "What the fuck was that guy doing? Do you mind if i send you a map to try?" So he send over a map of his own. First map no codes and making 17psi... After a few more revisions the car makes 21psi no codes no problems. Not sure what issues aj was having and i dont really care. Car is fine now so no harm no foul im out 200$ for a tune that never happened but hey thats fine. Still getting fucked by "wolfbuilt" for much more money lol.
Well thats just my input on the matter.
Long story short if you getting your car tuned I would stick to these people
Jake's, Justin's, Chris, Ken, Andy and if you like using jb4 Trebulia is good tuner for a BEF. Anybody else proceed at your own risk
Jake's, Justin's, Chris, Ken, Andy and if you like using jb4
Trebulia is good tuner for a BEF. Anybody else proceed at your own risk
Im not too familiar with most of those names, but i do know of a few. They all seem to be quite knowledgeable based on what ive read. Maybe one day i will inquire about a tune from one of them but as of right now my boy doug has been doing some killer work with my car.
The two Jakes I know are @MOTIV Motorsport who used to go by the username @jhershorin. The other one @jyamona doesn't tune so much as reverse engineer.
The two Justin's are @V8bait and @Twisted Tuning
Chris is @CKI@Motiv also known as 3000GT MR I believe.
Ken is @WedgePerformance
Andy is @AD-ENG
Most of these guys have been around this platform a while, some I know since before me and that was 2009. They've seen all the steps from piggy backs to cobb to open source flashing to mhd.
If someone can't tell you the history of this platform further than a couple years and the tuners who have been there along the way, I'd have a hard time taking their word for much when it comes to knowing who is best. There are a few people on this board that know. I've seen their names for many years.
If someone got interested in this platform from youtube, remember we still had motorola razrs when these cars came out and we were buying and boosting them. They probably were in grade school still and somehow claim to know everything.
wow that just hit me lol i was begging my parents to get me the razr 2 when the 335i first released and then my two cousins got one ( one vert one coupe) . i had no idea it was boosted i just thought of it as a regular non m 3 series, then one cousin with the coupe bought a helix piggy back lmaooo , we installed that thing and put race gas in it then boom, the 335 was the first fast car i felt in my life lol never had the feeling of my stomach being pushed back until that moment, mind you this is all back in 07-08 lol
