Build Log: M57 X5

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im going to assume you replaced the feed and drain lines correct? My oil return lines were coked up solid, but judging by your head pictures your engine is spotless compared to mine.
Well, no ...but I am. I can explain :)

I was only evaluating the condition of the lines based off the exterior and since they were not leaking and looked to be in good shape, I only bought just the line that bolts to the block and is hidden/inaccessible with the LP turbo installed. My issue is I ordered a 335D line since I converted to a 335D turbo, as it turned out the 335d line made contact with the X5 exhaust manifold where my EGR delete plate sites. So regret to say all turbo oil lines were not replaced. That being said I do have all 3 new lines being expedited from FCP, I will replaced the other 2 lines and see how things look. I might also pop off the HP turbo just to inspect. If smoking continues I will then revert my PCV system to stock to make sure that isn't the culprit, then compression test and then pull LP to replace.


I feel a bit foolish for not testing the flow of the pipes before putting them back on but live and learn, or forget and continue to make the same mistakes in the future. lol FML.
 

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I lost the bit on the 335d turbo swap. Assume there is a difference and you covered it somewhere in the thread?
 

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was there a difference in price regarding using an LP turbo from an X5 vs 335? Or was that the only one he was selling? I got the block off plate from TME when I bought my turbos off of him. I researched doing the 335 conversion but he emailed me saying he was releasing Stage 1 hybrids for the E70 the following week and wanted to know if I wanted the one of the first sets...which I assume I got the first set shipped. They've been soldiering along for 30k+ miles now with no change in oil consumption.

Regardless of age on a vehicle, I've always changed all the feed and drain lines just for peace of mind. It was a bear getting those turbos out or on an N54 powered vehicle and I never want to go back in.
 
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was there a difference in price regarding using an LP turbo from an X5 vs 335? Or was that the only one he was selling? I got the block off plate from TME when I bought my turbos off of him. I researched doing the 335 conversion but he emailed me saying he was releasing Stage 1 hybrids for the E70 the following week and wanted to know if I wanted the one of the first sets...which I assume I got the first set shipped. They've been soldiering along for 30k+ miles now with no change in oil consumption.

Regardless of age on a vehicle, I've always changed all the feed and drain lines just for peace of mind. It was a bear getting those turbos out or on an N54 powered vehicle and I never want to go back in.
Yes there was a 10-15% price difference based off the core you sent because the X5 has the additional EGR port on the read side of the turbo and also the internal ports which feed the EGR gases into the turbo, 335D has none of these and since all hybrid turbos are assumed to be going on deleted vehicles the the ports are just a hassle to deal with for the turbo manufacturer. So most if not all hybrid turbos for "X5" are identical to 335D.

Coming from the N54 to M57 as we are used to more reliability issues and working in tighter areas so M57 is a breeze to wrench on relatively. Funny since it's still a relatively modern BMW inline 6 with twin compound turbos. lol
 
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We have some nice updates to the engine, transmission, and rear differential.

With my DDE off for bench flashing I took advantage of having the X5 up in the air and inoperable. First was diagnosing the smoking and oil coming from the brand new hybrid turbo. Aside from mild-moderate smoking while driving I also noticed oil coming from the downpipe at the v-band and also lower flange. In addition there was oil dripping from the LP turbo but I believe that was an untorqued return line.
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I removed the HP turbo to inspect it and have a look into the manifold. Both turbos felt perfect spinning freely and with zero unwanted shaft play. Oil lines were also removed to double/triple check no blockages. I ended up buying 3 new feed lines and replaced the 2 accessible ones. Shit picture but this is one of the original return lines, very clean and clear.
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HP turbo off looking minty as it should
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Peeking down the manifold I noticed some oil around the exhaust inducer.
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What caught my attention was the crack in the casting which was adjacent to the inducer (and oil). I called Tim at this point to explain my symptoms, what I have done, and what I see. He explained most if not all M57 LP turbos have that crack in the casting, he said it usually happens in the first 20k of use and is inconsequential but he was happy to get the turbo back for inspection if I wanted. Tim also suggested I target my PCV system next as the likely cause.
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Sooo off comes my Provent setup and on goes the little cyclonic thing BMW fitted from the factory. I checked the OCC for blockage or a faulty one-way valve but all was good. More on the oil saga later....
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My upgrade valve body from Rod Sutphin arrived along with the DDE from BRR so it was time to open up the transmission.
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Popped the DDE in
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It's nice when you drain fluid and it's this clean.
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Old pan/filter with the magnet swipe. This had ~20k on it.
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My mechatronics seals and sleeves have plenty of life so I left them alone, *gasp* I know, I didn't perform preventative maintenance!
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With the PPE high capacity oil pan being a flop the next best upgrade for the trans was the OEM e70 X5M oil pan. The X5M pan and filter are two separate items where OEM X5D is one unit. I also bought new ZF transmission bolts, they are 8.8 where the previous ones I had where made from very weak metal.
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The other benefit of the X5M pan is the larger aluminum heatsink
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Tight and crisp vs sloppy and flairy lol
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VB, filter, and pan installed
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I wasn't planning on executing the X5M diff swap at this time but manhandling my old stock diff out (previously) the seals were damaged and gear oil was escaping in a big way, the diff was coated and it was all over the exhaust. At this point I still had a couple days before the DDE would arrive to I decided to knock it out.
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The QMVH harness finally showed up from Latvia
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after being delayed ~1.5 months thanks to USPS.

With the muffler heat shielding removed you can see the grommet with 4 screws that the harness passes through up into the cargo floor where the battery resides.
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Harness ran up and over subframe, tight but I was able to thread it thankfully otherwise this part of the project would have been a much bigger pain in the butt.
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New vent pipe
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E70 X5D vs F85 X5M
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Axles in
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Go where you belong Mr. Diff!
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An expensive cocktail of fluids and count em' 6 plugs.
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Driveshaft, axles, and harness connected
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Planning my next moves getting the exhaust reworked. The OEM piping you see (axle-back) will have to go. I will likely delete the remote valve too for simplicity, we'll see but the idea is to install the IVbrant resonator in the mid section and then have either dual 2.5" pipes ran around either side of the diff OR I will get some ovalized 3" pipe which should clear the diff and still follow the OEM routing you see here.
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A little splash of Hot Shots to keep the injectors happy
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With the DDE in, turbo installed, and transmission back together it was time to run the engine and fill the trans. The engine was idling for ~8 minutes while I filled the trans and once complete I peeked up the downpipe and was happy to report it was all dry. I gave the engine a couple light revs to 3k and this is what I saw after, uugh:
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At this point I was thinking there was maybe an issue with the valve cover itself with something internal blocked. Some people mentioned I should check the injectors, that may help the smoking but it definitely wouldn't explain the oil ingress into the downpipe. I had already ordered a 5w-40 oil kit from FCP Euro. I always ran 5w-40 Rotella T6 but switched to 5w-30 Liqui Moly 2 months ago, this is also when I started to notice the smoking so I wanted to revert to 5w-40 just to observe any change. Turbo Tim also recommended 5w-40 for the hybrid setup.
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After the oil change I decided it was time for a test drive to observe the smoking but also test the new valve body, new DDE tune, hybrid turbo, and new differential. lol Lot's to test! I drove around a bit with an open downpipe which was fun and deafeningly loud at WOT but I am happy to report the smoking issue has stopped. Not sure exactly if it was the PCV/OCC, oil viscosity, or what. MeKanic. I will probably reinstall the Provent at a later date and observe if the smoking comes back.

Here is a clip of the awesome sounds an open downpipe hybrid turbo M57 makes.
 

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The X5 is coming together post turbo upgrade and retune. I have been examining, testing, and maintaining when I can to resolve a few lingering issues. My fiance has been driving the X5 on some recent road trips so it wasn't always at my disposal so progress has been slow but we are moving in the right direction. X5 currently sits at 108k.

R90 received a new metering valve and fuel system got a new filter
System tested for boost leaks
Vacuum system checked and new pressure converters for turbos

The last (and most annoying) issue is an exhaust leak which becomes audible when the engine is warm and mainly happens between 2,000-3,000rpm. More on this later.

Replaced a faulty soft-close actuator, easy process.
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Playing around with different exhaust setups in preparation for having a custom axle-back built. That is a pleased face!
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Silicone license plate frame
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New Bosch wiper blades to pair with the new windsiheld!
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OBD splitter so I can have my P3 vent gauge and Pro Tools (or whatever else) connected at the same time.
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Nice parking spot
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Wash time before my fiance drove it around on dirt roads wine tasting lol
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Resolving fueling issue by installing a new metering valve, I also swapped the fuel filter for good measure.
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Double checking boost pipes
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I switched from the constant tension clamps to HPS worm drive. Back in 2014 or so I was getting my E61 dynoed at FFTEC up in the Bay Area and they swore by HPS worm drive clamps as they used then on all their big turbo Evos. I have been following suit on both my E61 and now E70 all run HPS clamps, no issues so far and I love their small size, space is limited on around the silicone connections on the E70 so they're a great fit.
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I took the opportunity to replace the belt tensioner too. Very easy process
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Next to test vacuum system and components
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Cleaned MAF
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Just to be triple sure there wasn't any exhaust leaking form the manifold pressure sensor banjo-connection that I had to recut threads into, I added a tiny bit of exhaust gasket sealer.
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AM coffee and pressure converters! These are what control the turbo crossover valve, turbo bypass valve, and the LP turbo waste gate. On the forums I read there can be no codes, they can test ok, but still not be 100% so it seemed like a good idea to replace all 3.
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With the vacuum "block" removed I triple checked the manifold for signs of leaks, there is absolutely zero signs of leakage around the manifold. I installed 2 new mani-turbo gaskets when installing the turbos and I even replaced the gaskets once just to be sure. Looking from above and below I can also see no signs of gasses escaping from the gaskets.
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The only place I am noticing an exhaust leak is on the crossover arm on the LP turbo. In this collage the arm was cleaned and the carbon you see on it is from a 40 mile drive. I understand there may be a tiny amount of gasses escape from here but to have that much expelled during a short drive seems excessive. Since the exhaust leak noise stops at ~3k this also makes sense that the valve would be included in that.

Moving forward my plan is to stick a Go Pro in the engine bay and hopefully get some footage of the audible exhaust leak corresponding with the movement of the arm, hopefully we can see some visible gasses too. I am smelling gasses in the cabin through the cars ventilation system when it's not on recirculation.
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Finally snagged this blank piece from an X5 at the salvage yard.
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Interesting switch on the clamps. For high tension applications it's worth taking a look at Murray Turbosmart, which are designed to apply the clamp pressure without the sharp edges of the clamps or worm gears biting into the hose material. That "bite" can also contribute to inconsistent clamping across the surface. Ideal-Tridon also makes such a clamp, called SmartSeal. The designs are interestingly different than a standard hose clamp design like the HPS.
 
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I think I have that same tool (amazon?)

were you able to use the top left or 2nd from top left adapters, to press in the new bushing?

for the life of me, I couldnt get the holes of bushing to line up with the pins of the tool
Honestly I forget which one I used but I had no problems getting the new bushing in or tool fitting correctly. The only hiccup is when extracting the old bushing the tool sat a bit wonky but still worked. Other than that observation to real issues.
 
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getting new bushing in was a breeze, I froze the bushing and was able to push in by hand.

getting the old one out was tricky. as you said, the tool sat crooked. eventually, I gave up and made a small cut in the old bushing, then pry'd it loose.

thanks for the response! your thread is inspirational!




fun fact, I used to always drive by a school in mira mesa, and would always admire a white wagon (which appeared to be n54 swapped) .... small world, it was yours all along
 
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Geeze, I need to get caught up on this thread! I guess first things first; I got married Oct 2nd out in Flagstaff, AZ. Everything was amazing. Here is a photodump of "X5 Doing Things."

Bikes check, dogs check, wedding dress in cargo box check, double check the latch on the cargo box check check!
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Always filling with renewable diesel when I can.
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In-laws used to drive a Toyota Highlander and Porsche Cayenne before I joined the family.
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The "Castle" aka Air BNB for us and our friends to party in :)
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Hike in the Aspen trees
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Fall colors at Pine Canyon
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MTB in Sedona, epic.
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Riding Hi-Line solo for the first time in the rain was a bit hairy but memorable.
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Now back to our regularly scheduled nerdy tech, maintenance, and mods content.

I had plans to fit OEM 343M wheels on the X5 but after some issues with wheels not as described and a bunch of time wasted I lost interest and ended up fitting the wheels on my E61, oh well.
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No surprise the F10 M5 wheels pair well with the F10 M5 brakes!
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Looking right at home on the wagon.
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Some small parts for the X5M diff: new grounding strap, heat shield, and exhaust hangers.
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Before
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After
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Snagged a 335D engine cover. I liked the (kinda?) clean look without the cover and I certainly like the accessibility for wrenching but I wanted to keep the diesel clatter to a minimum and the 335D cover fits well with my custom intake.
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New cabin air filters, thanks FCP
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New Bike Day. XXL Nicolai G1
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New boost pipes
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I built up another set of 20x11 square ZL1 wheels. I do prefer the black over the graphite finish on the last set. This time I went with Toyo Proxes STIII. They come in the 295/45/20 size, are M+S rated All Season, and the price is about as low as it gets for a reputable brand tire.
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Loving the cleaner look with the black wheels.
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Cute little brakes on the Raptor :)
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Ever since I installed the aftermarket fender flares I wanted to ceramic coat them to protect from future UV damage. I finally got around to it and cleaned/coated all plastic trim. I used Avalon King.
Before
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After
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It was inevitable.... KW V3
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The Koni Reds clashed with the yellow calipers... lol
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Much better! :)
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The Toyos had a slightly different profile than the Hankooks so I swapped the 5mm spacers for 8mm. This was with the 5mm installed. Not for the faint of heart.
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I was worried the fronts would look a bit poke-y with the larger spacers but honestly it looks perfect! More pics after I get the ride height dialed and finish another little project!
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Where to begin? Lots to cover so I will get to it.

I added twin Diode Dynamics Stage 6" "wide" light bars as reverse lights. I run a single DD bar on my E61 and it's amazing, this is double amazing. Tapped into OEM wiring, mounted to the subframe braces. These offer tons of light and with their optics and location tucked forward under the bumper you aren't going to be blinding people when reversing ...unless thy happen to be on their hands and knees for some reason.
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Where did you get that bracket for the lights?

It does not look like the one that comes with the lights: https://www.diodedynamics.com/stage-series-6-sae-dot-white-light-bar-pair.html & http://images.diodedynamics.com/global/stage_series/spec_diagram/HM0017 Mounting Bracket.pdf

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I can't see shit when I reverse in my E70. One of these days I am going to back into a tree.