New Twins - help me choose

[morffius]

If you don't intend on running in the 28+ PSI range, the MMP 1Ks or the GCs may be overkill. You get the benefit from the reduced backpressure at high boost levels. Granted, the MMPs should have the same or better spool, but if you have no intention of boosting that high, why bother. I have regular Stage 3s and am going to get the upgraded manifolds, and I have no "current' plans for PI, but I will likely get a shotgun setup eventually. Given that even stock Stage 3s can pretty much tax a stock block, you have to have a stong will to go all in on the 1Ks, or a hefty budget to use their capability.

I prefer the MMPs as they are stainless steel manifolds and turbine housings vs VTTs cast iron 2.0s. I know the D5S NI resist stuff is popular for turbo OEMS, stainless is offered as an upgrade for most turbo turbine housings, and the finish is much nicer.

While I don't initially intend on 28+, I do like the idea that there is more potential. If I want to build the engine or add more fueling, I can without having to worry about the turbos. I am more and more leaning toward the MMPs.

PS: what outlets are you running?

 

[langsbr]

I'm running MMP silicone outlets. I have not had an issue with them. I like the idea of aluminum outlets but I'm not going to swap them unless I run into an issue with my current ones.

 

[morffius]

I'm running MMP silicone outlets. I have not had an issue with them. I like the idea of aluminum outlets but I'm not going to swap them unless I run into an issue with my current ones.

The silicone are definitely cheaper and maybe easier to manipulate to install. I was thinking of ordering...

https://fasterbypinnacle.com/product/n54-335-nchs3-hot-side-outlet-pipe/

I emailed them and they said it would fit the 1k as well as the stage 3.

 

[doublespaces]

I have no skin in any company but the BMP kit is a known rip off of the ******* kit. Why beat around the bush and just call up ******* and thank them for being innovative and all of the time and money that they put into pushing the platform further and let them know you are going to buy a direct knock off of their PI kit.

They are understanding guys I'm sure they will keep us moving forward.

edit: oh yea I forgot there is a pissing match going on between this forum and that vendor. I thought it was resolved but obviously not

It's not been resolved and never was resolved nor did I tell anyone it was resolved so clearly you're getting your information wrong. Tell Steve to contact me and let me know he will finally abide by the same rules as anyone else and the 'pissing match' will be over. He has no intention of doing that and blatantly breaks the rules so things will stay as they are. Go roll your eyes elsewhere since I already know you didn't listen to a word I just said nor processed any of it as potentially true and have already formed your opinion.

 

[Bumbleb]

It's not been resolved and never was resolved nor did I tell anyone it was resolved so clearly you're getting your information wrong. Tell Steve to contact me and let me know he will finally abide by the same rules as anyone else and the 'pissing match' will be over. He has no intention of doing that and blatantly breaks the rules so things will stay as they are. Go roll your eyes elsewhere since I already know you didn't listen to a word I just said nor processed any of it as potentially true and have already formed your opinion.

I don't know Steve so I am not sure I should be the one to bring it up. I genuinely thought that you said you would remove the filter here if he removed it there and then he said that he had done that. Once again I have no vested interest in his company at all but I appreciative of him helping us push forward. That's all.

 

[N54QC]

I don't know Steve so I am not sure I should be the one to bring it up. I genuinely thought that you said you would remove the filter here if he removed it there and then he said that he had done that. Once again I have no vested interest in his company at all but I appreciative of him helping us push forward. That's all.

That discussion was pertaining to Terry, not Steve.

 

[doublespaces]

That conversation started about Steve. I spoke with @Bumbleb about this privately already.

But regarding that concern:

Sure, remove the block, I'll lift Steves block once we can have a meeting of minds and we will continue from there shall we?

The block removal was mostly a gesture at this point since most of the traffic comes from Google, Facebook or is direct. So lifting it really does nothing except show me that Terry is willing to be cordial and I am happy to keep things civil with him in return, I'm pretty easy to work with. Steve however does not follow that same strategy, and until he contacts me to say he intends to follow the same rules that everyone including Terry can abide by without even knowing them, then he will remain in this state.​

 

[MMP]

Hi Just saw this thread and I will say the 1K turbos can meet your goals and give you great results. The turbos are optimized for flow and will make anywhere from 400-850whp depending on your setup so they are a very versatile set and they install like stock turbos and they will spool 20psi by 3200rpm and the driveability is similar to stock with an awesome torque punch and no fall off on the top end, they just keep pulling. They can even be installed without removing the subframe, just remove downpipes and unbolt and shift steering rack forward and remove passenger motor mount and you have all the room needed for the install.

You can also get 10% off for a limited time (couple more weeks) with the coupon code 335imods on my website entered on the payment screen, which brings the cost of the turbos to $3150 which is WAY less than similar type of turbos. And all the cost for optional add ons are also less

add on costs of MMP options for 1K turbos vs similar turbos next lowest cost add on price (others are even more, some alot more)
add on inlets and outlets $220 vs $275
add on ceramic coating $250 vs $325
add on installation kit $150 vs $200
no core fee with either option
2yr warranty option (1 yr included) vs only 1 yr warranty option
shipping $55 vs $100

What im saying is its not just comparing the cost of the turbos which is currently far less with the coupon code, its also comparing the cost of the add on options differences, all together above there is a difference on options alone of $225 then factor in the cost of the turbos and quality materials of components (stainless steel MMP casting vs what others use) and you will see the value I think.

 

[Milan]

Does anyone have any times at the track with MMP turbos? They look great but people were in the 10's with classic RBs 5 years ago. I feel like these turbo are capable of double the power now but no one is posting any results. With all the vendors claiming they have moved hundreds of sets it would be nice to see more results than a dyno or two filmed on a potato.

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

Hi Just saw this thread and I will say the 1K turbos can meet your goals and give you great results. The turbos are optimized for flow and will make anywhere from 400-850whp depending on your setup so they are a very versatile set and they install like stock turbos and they will spool 20psi by 3200rpm and the driveability is similar to stock with an awesome torque punch and no fall off on the top end, they just keep pulling.

(EDITED PORTION OUT DUE TO VENDOR COMPLAINT)

If a customer wants to optimize spool and retain stock-like transient response then they should be relying on vendors to optimize their wheel sizes for the power ranges they are looking for to do as such. So if a customer wants say 425-475whp all the way to redline with the best possible spool/transient response, they certainly would NOT want to order turbos that are quoted to be good for 850whp. The vendors in this market are becoming more and more ridiculous these days, so watch out and use common sense people.

Rob

 

[langsbr]

Does anyone have any times at the track with MMP turbos? They look great but people were in the 10's with classic RBs 5 years ago. I feel like these turbo are capable of double the power now but no one is posting any results. With all the vendors claiming they have moved hundreds of sets it would be nice to see more results than a dyno or two filmed on a potato.

Let's ignore Rob, as it seems all he posts now is negative responses to other vendors rather than his own accomplishments...

I would say that things have changed greatly in the past 5 years with regards to motorsports in general. I see less and less people prepping cars for drag racing in general, even here in SC where Fox bodies ruled the streets for years. The new trend is roll racing on the highway, or half mile racing. I have no preference either way, but if you deny it or want to call it stupid, it just means you're in denial. There are big money roll races around here now. The drag strip is still alive, but it's mostly the older crowd, and only with cars that have always been drag "happy" i.e. live axle, autos, etc.

So, I think what you are seeing is the change in times - there is always going to be the outlier of the fast track car - hell on a different forum right now is a guy running mid - low 11s @ 122 on stock turbos, so it can be done.

I know there is at least one guy that has taken his MMP car to the track and ran 10s on radials @ 130, but I don't think he had a full drag setup, just ran as it showed up.

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

Let's ignore Rob, as it seems all he posts now is negative responses to other vendors rather than his own accomplishments...

Some prefer realism while some others mistake it for negativity. Those with some concept of the physics behind these things should be able to make the determination of which group of "some" they belong. Different strokes for different folks.

And yes here is a basic well driven full weight Classic RB E90, stock outlets, cpe intercooler, E60 tune (no PI), 10.94sec@130mph 2.5 years ago:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34646

Rob

 

[N54QC]

Some prefer realism while some others mistake it for negativity. Those with some concept of the physics behind these things should be able to make the determination of which group of "some" they belong. Different strokes for different folks.

And yes here is a basic well driven full weight Classic RB E90, stock outlets, cpe intercooler, E60 tune (no PI), 10.94sec@130mph 2.5 years ago:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34646

Rob

I kind of have to agree with @langsbr as it seems once Tony was removed from this forum, your comments have slightly swayed as more of an attack. I do like realism, but Tony has stated he was just keeping it real also. But the way he was stating it came off in a derogative, negative tone. There's ways to state things that keep it real while remaining professional.

 

[Bumbleb]

So, I think what you are seeing is the change in times - there is always going to be the outlier of the fast track car - hell on a different forum right now is a guy running mid - low 11s @ 122 on stock turbos, so it can be done.

I know there is at least one guy that has taken his MMP car to the track and ran 10s on radials @ 130, but I don't think he had a full drag setup, just ran as it showed up.

You can certainly get there with stock turbos because Javi Rodriguez at Mitnite Tuning did 11.18 on stockers years ago with room to go on a 1.6 60'

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

I kind of have to agree with @langsbr as it seems once Tony was removed from this forum, your comments have slightly swayed as more of an attack. I do like realism, but Tony has stated he was just keeping it real also. But the way he was stating it came off in a derogative, negative tone. There's ways to state things that keep it real while remaining professional.

Been in this platform for many MANY years and business has never let up and it has been great and these days it has been better than it ever has; for this I'm very thankful. However within these many years there are what we refer to as weeks, and in each of these weeks I personally field many phone calls/emails and interact on these concepts for hours upon hours upon hours. In these interactions from customers, many of times of competitive vendors; they tend to be a bit more forthcoming than they do on the internet. So as unprofessional as it maybe, all what I speak is based on 100% reality and actual feedback from the real world out there.

Please do not mistake my comments as if I'm some Hollywood producer/actor/videographer/etc pretending to be "real" when changing careers into turbo sales; this has always been the issue in that saga as no one could ever tell what was what and I'm still hoping that someday someone online will see the forest for the trees in all of that.

All aside I stand by what was typed above and anyone with even any remote grasp of turbocharging should strongly agree.

Rob

 

[N54QC]

Been in this platform for many MANY years and business has never let up and it has been great and these days it has been better than it ever has; for this I'm very thankful. However within these many years there are what we refer to as weeks, and in each of these weeks I personally field many phone calls/emails and interact on these concepts for hours upon hours upon hours. In these interactions from customers, many of times of competitive vendors; they tend to be a bit more forthcoming than they do on the internet. So as unprofessional as it maybe, all what I speak is based on 100% reality and actual feedback from the real world out there.

Please do not mistake my comments as if I'm some Hollywood producer/actor/videographer/etc pretending to be "real" when changing careers into turbo sales; this has always been the issue in that saga as no one could ever tell what was what and I'm still hoping that someday someone online will see the forest for the trees in all of that.

All aside I stand by what was typed above and anyone with even any remote grasp of turbocharging should strongly agree.

Rob

I have been on these forums for some time and most of the things I've seen from you have been professional. In worst case situations, you were just defending your side against Tony which is legit because he's usually on the attack anyways. Just stating that as of lately, your comments have skewed away from how I'm use to seeing you post. I don't disagree that there's many things playing behind the scenes that a lot of us have no clue about, and also would agree that most of us that have knowledge in the field know that MMP's comment about spool is a stretch unless he can provide accurate data otherwise. Just stating that I would hate to see your reputation take a negative slide since you've usually came off more reserve and professional... unless you're being attacked which is understandable. Lol

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

I have been on these forums for some time and most of the things I've seen from you have been professional. In worst case situations, you were just defending your side against Tony which is legit because he's usually on the attack anyways. Just stating that as of lately, your comments have skewed away from how I'm use to seeing you post. I don't disagree that there's many things playing behind the scenes that a lot of us have no clue about, and also would agree that most of us that have knowledge in the field know that MMP's comment about spool is a stretch unless he can provide accurate data otherwise. Just stating that I would hate to see your reputation take a negative slide since you've usually came off more reserve and professional... unless you're being attacked which is understandable. Lol

Well understood and you are correct. It is more so just being tired of reading the same ole vendor remarks, and knowing the games that are being played in marketing. Literally for years and years and years it has been the same old stuff.

Regarding the bold print this is really the issue and the case in point of my initial comment, as there are MANY ways to present data to make it seem accurate. This is where the real world feedback comes in to trump the marketing, and this sort of feedback is what you have been feeling when you read some of our latest "unprofessional platform crusades". The masses can ultimately take it or leave it, but at minimum hopefully it allows some of the more discerning types to get a better vantage point.

Rob

 

[MMP]

Here is a log on my car of the turbos to show data. 19.8psi at 3073rpm

 

[veer90]

Here is a log on my car of the turbos to show data. 19.8psi at 3073rpm

Regular stage 3s or 1Ks?

 

[Milan]

Here is a log on my car of the turbos to show data. 19.8psi at 3073rpm

What did your car trap?