VRSF Comp vs Race FMIC?

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Should I be getting the 7.5" Competition version or the 7.5" Race version? What is the difference? Will either induce any lag from stock FMIC? I am hoping to hit 400whp on stock turbos at 94 octane is this even attainable on pump?. I read that the 5" will still eventually heatsoak in the canyons so that is why I am omitting it. Correct me if I am wrong thanks.
 

ShocknAwe

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I'd get the ATM stepped fmic for your use. The drawbacks on overly large fmic are size weight pressure drop. You don't need the huge race core.

Now if I change my fmic again with upgraded turbos I'd go wagner evo 3.
 

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I don't think you can better the CSF one for quality and performance. Fits without butchering the front end and will keep your IATs flat way past 400whp.
 

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Is it really that good? Can it support a ST pump gas setup at 550whp?
Can't say for certain, but CSF claim up to 1000hp on the site.

As a company they have a good reputation for all their cooling. I'd try them before resorting to a VRSF model.
 

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OP I'd argue that with singles you aren't as reliant on as much FMIC as with twins. But then need more with pump vs ethanol blends which are more stable during high heat combustion.

Then there's FMIC construction to deal with. Lots of factors to consider if you're still trying to figure out your powerplant.

I'd stay away from VRSF altogether though. CSF is a great company. If you want an inexpensive option go with BMS/phoenix.
 

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What is the issue with VRSF?

I am running a 7.5" chinesium for years now without issues. Am i missing something?
 

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I can vouch for the VRSF Race Intercooler / any other stepped 7.5" intercooler, VRSF's has been my only intercooler since MHD Stage 1+, now I'm FBO + 19t Turbos on a ~22psi E40 map. IAT's have never been an issue for me on any setup between Stage 1+ to now, they're great. It took me no more than 20 minutes to shave the plastic piece the intercooler would sit beneath so it'd fit.
 

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What is the issue with VRSF?

I am running a 7.5" chinesium for years now without issues. Am i missing something?
I suppose the calculation is cooling performance vs lag. Ideally you want the most heat rejection with the least internal air volume and restriction.

The VRSF 7.5" is going to have a huge air volume. We would need some logs of both CSF and VRSF with similar setups to determine which has the edge in cooling.
 
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He does that a lot. I think he is kinda window shopping to try and figure out what he really wants. Has multiple posts on singles, twins etc.
No big deal, can't learn if he doesn't ask !
Sorry if its annoying lol, exactly just window shopping and trying to figure out what I want. Have to educate myself.
 

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If you'll be upgrading turbos and fueling, you can expand your scope to include n55's. Stock for stock n54 has > potential power than n55, but if your goals require upgrading turbos and fueling on an n54, you can also upgrade those on an n55 and now it's a level playing field between the two platforms👍

n55 actually has a slight advantage on intake valve size and lift.
 

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If you'll be upgrading turbos and fueling, you can expand your scope to include n55's. Stock for stock n54 has > potential power than n55, but if your goals require upgrading turbos and fueling on an n54, you can also upgrade those on an n55 and now it's a level playing field between the two platforms👍

n55 actually has a slight advantage on intake valve size and lift.
Woah woah woah then we can Argue B58 Clears both. I've currently got 6 mods including the tune itself and my current cars faster then my 335 was.
 

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Woah woah woah then we can Argue B58 Clears both. I've currently got 6 mods including the tune itself and my current cars faster then my 335 was.
Haha, thought that might be kicking the hornet's nest a bit😉

B58 is a beast, why wouldn't we argue that clears both🤷‍♂️

I just saw this in my inbox a couple days ago and thought what? That's BS. Then I realized it was s58. FML😐
 

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Or we could argue N54 with twin architecture as intended and a high flow head that outstrips the N55.

Lots of ways to skin a cat.
 
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Or we could argue N54 with twin architecture as intended and a high flow head that outstrips the N55.

Lots of ways to skin a cat.
My point was that the n54 and n55 are so similar, that there is no reason not to include n55 cars in one's search if your goals are beyond the capacity of stock n54 twins or fuel system. Especially for people who like the esthetics of e-chassis cars. Pretty much anything you can do to the n54 you can do to the n55, especially now that MHD launched MHD+ for e-chassis n55. Plus, lots of n54 go big single despite the stock architecture being set up for twins, and n55 is already set up for single. But if single isn't your cup of tea, you can still go twins with n55 as @Dumaurier7 is currently doing (though very few choose this route).

For one searching for an e-chassis car who is still learning the platform, it's good to know that n55 has cheaper more reliable injectors, with higher flow options available off the shelf. Plus a more reliable style hpfp, with high flow hpfp options available off the shelf. Plus more effective pcv system so carbon builds up slower on intake valves.

I'm not trying to start an n54 vs. n55 war, just trying to provide some information for somebody considering moving over to an e-chassis car, which I think is great👍